Straw Hats Why Zoro was removed from the end of Act 1

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    I’ll start with explaining why Zoro was in Act 1 in the first place.

    1. He’s a Strawhat so all the Strawhats must feature in this act.

    2. He is by definition the Strawhat, besides Luffy, who this arc most pertains to(this doesn’t mean a year of Zoro or whatever, it’s just obvious) so Oda has to introduce the plots around Zoro early since they matter more. These plots being.
    -The cursed sword which no one in the main cast cares about except Zoro.
    -Shisui which no one in the main cast cares about except Zoro.
    -The murders in the Capital which no one in the main cast cares about except Zoro.
    - The opening chapter is titled Seppuku which doesn’t matter to anyone in that chapter except Zoro
    (I say these plots are more important because Oda’s gone out of his way to make them so. It could turn out that they get forgotten or resolved in a chapter or whatever but as of now they SEEM more important)

    3. He’s a Swordsman and Oda needs to sell the aesthetic so things like the Shonen jump cover of 921 with Zoro and Luffy only works because one of them is actually a Swordsman to begin with.

    Now the reason Zoro had to be removed from the ending of Act 1 is:

    1. Literally all the plots I mentioned above only matter to him so those plots would go nowhere in that scuffle with the Beast pirates.

    2. He’s too strong for the ending of the Act to look the same way it did. I’ll explain this.
    -Luffy has to be hot tempered and desperate in order to fight Kaido which would be very hard to do when he knows Zoro is with the rest of his crew. Luffy has faith in his crew of course but he’s never seen Any of them do Attacks that can counter that dragon beam except Zoro.
    -If Zoro went to the town with Luffy, he would end up getting captured too and therefore he would go under the same torture as Luffy and Kidd but since he doesn’t have the newly introduced Plot Armor of CoC he would end up dying since there’s no way he would end up bowing to Kaidou and there’s no way Oda is gonna start making it a point to show that Zoro can survive that situation without the Plot armor he literally just introduced.

    3. He’s a distraction, just like Law, for the rest of the crew to deal with their plans or either breaking Luffy out of jail or continuing the 2 week plan and since he’s actually strong he will lead the beast pirates on a long enough chase for everyone else’s plans to go more smoothly.

    Now it’s easy to get mad that Oda used the getting lost gag TWICE in a row and now Zoro is back where he came from already but first of all I think that’s even funnier that he actually ended up back where he began and secondly it was fun to have Zoro around nonetheless so Oda is literally bending over backwards to make sure the readers enjoy themselves as much as possible and it worked for the most part.
     
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    Would Zoro have done this or would He have put trust in Law like the others did?
    Lol when did Zoro counter an attack like Borobreath?!?
    I think here you overestimate Zoro a bit.
     
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    Maybe because he lost the road :rofl:

    Let's get serious.Zoro will get his action after when will start the fights.Zoro will sho his skills in the fights.
     
  4. ImmaIvanoM

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    If Luffy attacks Kaidou there’s no way Zoro ain’t joining in to fight... That’s shown very clearly in Bakura town where Luffy tells Zoro to steal the good thing and he asks no questions...

    The attack Zoro used to slice Pika...
    Edit: I mean the attack to slice Pika can compare to that
     
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    Nope.

    Zoro would die if he tried. At the very least get sent off the island
     
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    Zoro was removed because he’s not really going to be that relate to the beast pirate plot line, or at least the early part imo. Chapter 922 made it clear luffy & law are kaido main targets. So for now most things involving them will revolve around luffy/kids prison sub plot, and laws sub plot. Zoro going to star in the wano sub plot which was why he was removed & sent wondering around the country. To find the warriors needed for the up coming fight.
     
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    Lmao the Zoro wank is getting out of hand, come get yall man bro


    OT: Zori boy aint stopping that attack, at the best he's dodging it like Luffy. The reason he's out the story is start the sub-plot with shogun alongside Robin and maybe Usopp at the same time as Luffy and Kidd's escape similar to how WCI had a bit of both the Vinsomkes and and Big Mom pirates
     
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    Just to drop a truth
    There is 4 moments when Luffy got his ass kicked the worst
    - Impel Down arc
    - Marineford arc
    - WCI arc
    - Wano arc (when Zoro is separated)

    And in all those 4 moments, Zoro wasn't present to protect Luffy
    It's easy to draw a conclusion that Luffy got his ass kicked hard when Zoro isn't around, and do the math, so if Zoro's around, Luffy's ass won't get kicked

    That's why Zoro was removed
    Because if Zoro was there, Luffy wouldn't be in the prison like he currently is now
    Zoro would block Kaido's club easy with 1 eye closed
     
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    Zoro wasn't there because he needs to do stuff in Wano, while Luffy is locked up. If he had confronted Kaido both of them would be in jail right now.
     
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    Correlation doesn't mean causation.

    Lol it would have been double knock out on part of Kaido. What I do agree probably together with law he would have manage to rescue Luffy. This way Luffy would have avoided prison and Kidd subplot would have never kicked in.
     
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    The power used to destroy Pica is actually way higher that the power used to destroy a castle... Mountain > Castle
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 11, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Original Post Date: Nov 11, 2018 at 4:35 AM ---
    Mountain > Castle... Just saying
     
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    That's not how any of this work. DC isn't the same as AP, nor can you accurately judge how strong that heat ball was.
     
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    It's simple Oda doesn't want to design three new swords for Zoro. Zoro rushing in against Kaido = Broken swords, dreams and promises. It's a common tact for Oda to protect Zoro against any serious challenge because of the promise he made to Luffy.
     
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    I know but then again you can’t say that Zoro can’t counter it... there’s things like the fact that Zoro still hasn’t gone all out so even that mountain cutting move is still probably not Zoro’s max
    --- Double Post Merged, Nov 11, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Original Post Date: Nov 11, 2018 at 5:06 AM ---
    Zoro lost to Kuma and Kizaru pretty badly too...
     
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    Let's leave the ifs for later, for now we know Kaidos one attack one shots Boundman and attacks don't get compared based on range unless they're of the same type, effect or at least similar. Otherwise Sanji would deal with it using HM (a mountain range attack)
     
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    What mountain range attack does Sanji have?
    Whatever anayway, Point is Zoro has fished out similar DC... The nature of the attack is well and good but that’s what things like Haki exist in the OP world to accomodate different Natures.... Even 1080 pound Canon can obliterate a Castle and that’s not even the strongest technique we’ve seen him use and the strongest technique we’ve seen him use is still not his max
     
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    Hell memories
    In no world does a heat ball compare to a slash in damage type, not even haki can make them do show simialr results. The best you can do is measure the AoE range and start from there but even that falls short cause there is not much else to bring up. So if that satisfies you, yes Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai has more AoE than the heat ball
    Yes...so can Franky with his rockets or coupe de bust and General Franky. Same with Nami. Lol
     
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    What’s hell memories? I’ve literally watched all of One Piece like twice now and I can’t temem what this is... And which mountain did it destroy? Don’t assume please, I want to know which mountain was actually destroyed by it... Don’t make any unconfirmed comparisons as well like it beat up a guy who has never been confirmed to have mountain level durability... So first of all tell me what this is and which mountain it destroyed...

    And you’re talking about Haki not being able to counter it yet we’ve liter seen one of the highest DC attacks get countered by literally only Haki... Akainu’s Magma Punch was countered by Shanks using nothing but Haki... Akainu by the nature of his attacks has one of the most dangerous abilities and they meant JACK SHIT to a Haki Master swinging a sword...

    And Nami hasn’t produced any projectile Attack that can destroy a Castle... The strongest attack Nami has used is the one on Big Mom that isn’t a projectile Attack first of all and so it can’t do shit in this situation and it’s still not Castle level... Franky also has never destroyed a castle... He said he would destroy the Factory in one hit but he never did so you’re assuming that as well... And Franky wasn’t even with these Strawhats to begin woth
     
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    I've said nothing about haki not being able to block various kinds of attacks. You said different types of damage can be compared directly becuase haki accommodates their differences. I just told you that it doesn't but a haki coated is still a slash, a haki coated fire ball is still a fire ball nonetheless.


    Also don't talk about Shanks' feat as if it's confirmed that he used Haki. He could have just blocked it with a high grade sword
    Look above, the sword even if coated with haki was not in the offensive so there was no need accommodate here. I'm not sure if by accommodate you mean blocking or changing the entire nature of a technique.

    Lol why does it matter if it's a projectile or not? Your argument was about Zoro stopping the attack with his own attack hence you mentioned the "pica slash" which was not a projectile based cut. Zues tempo can easily obliterate a castle, look at the panel again and look at its AoE and big mom's minor injuries.

    Both of these GG the castle's remains
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    This is how big the ruins were
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    They get covered by said attacks no problem..
     
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    Hold up... You mean Wadatsume has mountain level Durability... He’s not even as big as Pica and now suddenly he has mountain level durability... This fight was even a tag team and your first assumption here is that Wadatsume is as big as a mountain or even Pica which he clearly isn’t. The second assumption is that He has mountain level durability. The third assumption is that whatever this Hell memories thing is it did way more damage than Jinbei’s attacks yet this was a tag team... Jeez

    And I mentioned that projectile attacks because I brought up 1080 pound canon which can also obliterate a castle and is a projectile so Nami’s Attack isn’t a projectile and NO It’s still not Castle level... That castle was bigger than Big Mom and you’re making the the whole she even took damage part... she was unscathed completely.

    And once again Franky wasn’t with the Strawhats on the mountain so you trying to scale him up so much still doesn’t matter
     
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