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Speculation Why Mihawk isn't a Top Tier

Mihawk's power level

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  1. StealthBlack

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    Top tiers that don't train get weaker. Like rayleigh that was tired after a few minutes with kizaru because he didn't fight for a long time.

    Seem like after shanks decades ago mihawk fought almost nothing, shanks had the yonkous and marines.
     
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  2. SanjiKun

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    Shanks hadn't met Whitebeard ever since he lost his arm when Luffy was a kid. Who is Shanks fighting? The current Yonko, bar Kaido, reached their peak back 20+ years ago. Shanks and Mihawk got strong by constantly fighting each other back then.

    The only Yonko who has maybe gotten massive gains since that period was Kaido, and it's no surprise he's the strongest. Ever since Oden died, the world of One Piece has practically been at a standstill.
     
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  3. Dani12FCB

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    To imply that Zoro's motivation is "to be the right hand of king of the pirates" to make us believe that Mihawk is inferior to Rayleigh is the fun, when what he wants is to help Luffy to become the king of the pirates.

    Said in several comments:

    Become King of the Pirates >> Best / Strongest Swordsman in the World.

    To another with your stories.
     
  4. Erkan12

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    Can Zoro help Luffy in a different way than being his right-hand? I was being generous when I said right-hand, Sanji can also do that.
     
  5. Dani12FCB

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    Yeah, Sanji, Usopp, Nami, Robin, Franky, Chopper, Jinbe, and Brook wants Luffy to become the king of pirates, nowhere are you going to read that Zoro wants to be Luffy's right hand, his goal is to be the best / strongest swordsman in the world and that ambition is overcome by helping Luffy to become the king of the pirates, which is what Mihawk refers to, his ambition is not to be "the right hand of the king of the pirates".
     
  6. Erkan12

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    It's the same thing. His goal is helping Luffy by being his right-hand or crew mate, Zoro won't become PK, Luffy will.
     
  7. kom5

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    -"And then, for being a Shichibukai, you need to be weaker than Admirals, that's the point of being Shichibukai. Because Admirals are the strongest fighters of the World Government, even though they aren't equals to the high top-tiers whose are Yonko, they are low-top tier / mid top tiers."

    Shichibukai are generally doubted as a group that doesnt automatically make every one of the them weaker than a admiral
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    Doflamingo doesnt give a shit about Fujitora being there he is confident in his idea that he is gonna make Fujitora vanish that doesnt automatically mean he can do it but he wouldnt dare such a idea against Kaido also

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    He attacked an admiral

    Also Mihawk and Gecko Moria have the same title but they arent equal the same goes for Law and Doflamingo here the manga panel
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    So get that idea out of your mind that Mihawk must be weaker due his title


    -"Mihawk : ''What is your goal?''
    Luffy : ''To be King of Pirates !''
    Mihawk : ''Even more perilous than trying to surpass me.''

    That does mean that becaming PK is more difficult than beating Mihawk which makes sense you litterally have the whole world being your enemy that doesnt downgrade Mihawk in any way also being apart of the WG doesnt mean he accept his weakness he was bored because he challenged more and more opponents to the point no worthy one was there and joined the WG to travel free go read Mihawks vivre card also Shanks was a yonko prior meeting Luffy while having both hands means Mihawk litterally did go toe o toe against an Yonko


    -"Mihawk is troubled after hearing that Pre-TS Zoro defeated the Baboons" or "Mihawk gets afraid of seeing East Blue Zoro's secret technique "


    He is "troubled" or "afraid" lol lmao he is suprised and acknowledges Zoros strength thats all he sees potential in him that he maybe would become a worthy opponent

    -"Gorousei : ''Only the remaining four Emperors themselves could possibly defeat him. And maybe Marco the Phoenix...''

    So the gorosei didnt mention the admirals does it mean Marco>Admiral ?

    -''It would seem that you've found a greater cause than your own ambition.''
    "

    "Alright, what's Zoro's cause in here ? Helping Luffy to become a PK. What's Zoro's previous ambition ? Being World's Greatest Swordsmen. So, Mihawk admits that helping someone to become a PK > Being World's Greatest Swordsman."

    The "cause" here has an other meaning then powerscaling it means that Zoro does it for the sake of his comarades and forgets his pride and begs Mihawk to train him




    -"In short ; Pirate King Level > Helping someone to be PK (being his top fighter) > World Greatest Swordsman."
    In short Zoros love>pride



    -"Mihawk is asking permission from Vista (a YC3 level fighter) to finish the duel, because he can't finish it by himself. That's a solid confirmation about Mihawk's actual power level, which is not superior to Vista."

    Yonko Commander 3 doesnt exist and YC like Marco easily held there own against Admirals
     
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  8. ImmaIvanoM

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    Do you actually think the story of One Piece is gonna end with Zoro not being the WSS? I mean since all that matters is Luffy’s dream now...
     
  9. Erkan12

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    PK's right hand status > WSS status.

    Zoro can easily achieve that WSS status before being the PK's right hand, (means before Luffy becomes PK). Isn't this obvious? Since they will not become PK and WSS simultaneously, Zoro will become WSS first, then Luffy will become PK later. It means, Zoro will be the WSS before being the PK's right hand.
     
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    That doesnt mean that its just one found the One Piece the other one didnt
     
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    Shanks Databooks implies that
    He clashed with Mihawk and
    He grew on later on after those battles to stand with WB .
    When shanks and Mihawk fought
    they were high tiers ...

    He and mihawk are more or less equal in the past... mihawk never beat shanks


    And no Mihawk isnt top 5
    He is below admirals and Emperos
    Onlh Equal to Fuji/Shanks
     
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    Shanks was a yonko when they fought. Lost his arm and power to a point where ben is compareable to him. No chance ben is yonko level.
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 25, 2019, Original Post Date: Mar 25, 2019 ---
    No he wont. Luffy will be pk first. He put luffys dream first.
     
  14. Erkan12

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    - Jack, Cracker are the third strongest of their crew. Vista is the third strongest after Marco and Jozu. Marco is much more powerful than Vista, just because Marco held his own that doesn't mean Vista can too.

    - Zoro needed to be WSS much faster than he would be usually, just because of helping Luffy. That's why Kuma send him to Mihawk's island, believing that Mihawk can train Zoro's sword skills, and that eventually happens. Zoro isn't giving up on his life, he is literally asking sword lessons from his enemy Mihawk. It means that Zoro needs to be WSS much faster and only than he can help Luffy as Luffy's right-hand. People already compared Zoro to Mihawk after cutting down gigantic Pica's Golem. WSS is just an overrated title by Mihawk Zoro fans. In One Piece world, no one really cares, everyone trying to be the ultimate pirate. And Yonko are the greatest obstacles for that goal, not Mihawk. WSS is just a tiny sub-title, not a main title like PK, Yonko, WSM, WSC etc.

    - Gorousei were talking about pirates, and Mihawk is a pirate.

    - It's the same reason why Mihawk didn't continue to fight with Vista, or Jozu etc.


    ''he was bored because he challenged more and more opponents to the point no worthy one was there and joined the WG''

    - Alright this is crazy, Mihawk fights against Don Krieg, but somehow he doesn't fight against Jozu or WB, or even Vista he asked to postpone the duel. He fights against Daz Bones, but he doesn't fight against Crocodile, is that because he is bored? :D I don't think so.

    - Shichibukai are Shichibukai because of the Admirals. Law said that. Otherwise why accept WG's offer? WG's greatest military power is Admirals, nothing else. And anyone who become Shichibuka ; a.k.a Government Dogs accepts WG's superiority which is the Admirals only. It means Admirals > Shichibukai. If Shichibukai could challenge the Admirals, then they wouldn't say that WG's greatest military power is Admirals, it would be an equally powerful factions inside of the WG.
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    ''Zoro needed to be WSS much faster than he would be usually, just because of helping Luffy. That's why Kuma send him to Mihawk's island, believing that Mihawk can train Zoro's sword skills, and that eventually happens. Zoro isn't giving up on his life, he is literally asking sword lessons from his enemy Mihawk. It means that Zoro needs to be WSS much faster and only than he can help Luffy as Luffy's right-hand. People already compared Zoro to Mihawk after cutting down gigantic Pica's Golem. WSS is just an overrated title by Mihawk Zoro fans. In One Piece world, no one really cares, everyone trying to be the ultimate pirate. And Yonko are the greatest obstacles for that goal, not Mihawk. WSS is just a tiny sub-title, not a main title like PK, Yonko, WSM, WSC etc.''
     
  15. kom5

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    Be glad that Im having my exams I cant respond fast

    First mistake Cracker biscuit knight is prob the third strongest second Vista is prob stronger than Jozu and Marco is def not much more powerful than Vista


    This straight headcanon and beyond lol he doesnt need WSS to make Luffy PK he just wants to get stronger getting stronger helps Luffy to become the PK and if he ends up becoming the strongest of them all its an bonus
    Also what you write doesnt even make any sense how do you come up with such an reasoning that "People already compared Zoro to Mihawk after cutting down gigantic Pica's Golem. WSS is just an overrated title by Mihawk Zoro fans. " headcanon fans compare him to WSS its the same idiots who compared Gear 4 to Kaido
    As far as we know is that Rayleigh is a swordsman a pure swordsman and Mihawk is said to be stronger than old ray who was advance haki which even Luffy having 1.5 billion bounty doesnt have
    I think you have to redo your course

    Vista was unharmed throughout the war only had lil bruises
    I think people are underestimating YC too much because Kuzan owned Jozu and forgetting that Marco held his own against them


    Yes he was and Mihawk is a ally of the WG not a wanted pirate but a shichibukai


    No he didnt put his back into the fight thats why Doflamingo nor Mihawk showed even a true glance of there true might
    Doflamingo could easily use birdcage or COC


    Again he didnt even try it he was a rival to Yonko Shanks 12 years ago either Shanks is weak or Mihawk is immensly powerful


    He was bored and decided to have more privilegs
    Mihawk is the exception also you can repeat yourself as much as you want Doflamingo had the idea to take out Fujitora
     
  16. Erkan12

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    Jozu is definitely more powerful than Vista,

    OP Dictionary - Vivre Card: ''He has the toughness that resembles his epithet "Diamond Jozu", as well as two specialities added together beget an attack power that is literally unrivaled.''

    Zoro begged Mihawk so Mihawk can make him a WSS much more quickly and faster, otherwise what's the point? If Zoro becomes WSS faster, then he can help Luffy better.

    Zoro novel said people compares current Zoro to Mihawk, that's not fanfiction, it's an official source.

    Rayleigh is a pure swordsman but he doesn't teach Luffy anything about sword fight? That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. The guy can kick Kizaru's laser. No swordsman can kick Kizaru's laser.

    Vista was unharmed because he never soloed an Admiral alone, and he never stopped an Admiral alone like Jozu did. Jozu was obviously better than Vista according to Vivre Card.

    No one says Shichibukai can't fight at new world or they can't claim other new world territories as a pirate, as we know Doflamingo was doing it. If Mihawk potentially could defeat pre-TS Blackbeard then they would consider Mihawk as a possibility.

    If Doffy used bird cage, then WB, Marco would stomp him immediately, also that wouldn't help to Marines. So your argument makes no sense again.

    Mihawk isn't Shanks's rival, he retreated from MF when Shanks came and he declined Shanks's offer to fight when he came to Shanks's island. You're bullshitting now, explain why Mihawk attacked Daz Bones but not Crocodile, or admit that you're wrong.

    No where in the manga it says Mihawk joined Shichibukai because he is bored. That's fanfiction because your desperation.
     
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    So he is stronger than Marco or Kaido ?
    He has higher physical power thats all


    Its not about becoming WSS you didnt understood anything there Zoro did put his ambition/dream to the side or even sacrificed it to help an friend it was just to getting stronger to help Luffy


    He just teached Luffy about haki the same did Mihawk to Zoro and prob Iva-chan too lol thats the dumbest answer I ever had did you heard of haki ?
    If someone coats with it it can kick away a logia generated laser
    No swordsman can kick it away yet Rayleigh did it and he is a swordsman


    That may be true but he was never down in the arc suggesting he is incredible powerful
    Nope he wasnt Vista is revlead as a top class swordsman who is even a match for Mihawk


    They didnt consider the admirals , shichibukai or CP because its there own forces thats the answer if not then admirals should also be included too


    Lol immediatly he couldnt and the admirals wouldnt allow it anyway your simple mind makes no sense


    He retreated because he likes Shanks and they are basically friends who drink and partied together xD

    In Marineford they all had small skirmishes like Marco vs Akainu yet afterwards akainu was fighting fodder and not Marco in Marineford they didnt clash for too long so Im right and you are wrong right ?
     
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    No because we know Marco is officially the right-hand of WB, Jozu isn't. Jozu has the greatest hype, but Marco is officially stronger. No one says anything about Vista.

    Explain what Zoro tried to do by asking lessons from Mihawk? He knew he can be WSS but it would take too long. So he asked lessons from Mihawk because he can be a WSS much faster. That's how he can help Luffy.

    That's fanfic, no one said anything about Ivankov. Sanji didn't ask lessons from him. Rayleigh kicking Kizaru's laser is a proof that he is more than a swordsman, other proof is teaching Luffy how to fight without using a sword.

    Many fodder YC survived the war too, that doesn't mean Fossa > Jozu too, that's one of the dumbest arguments you've. Even WB died but Marco didn't. That doesn't mean Marco > WB.

    Gorousei were talking about the pirate world, and Mihawk is a pirate.

    You think WB and Marco couldn't stomp Doffy? :rofl: And how bird cage can help Marines in that war? It would destroy the whole island includes Marines too.

    No one said Mihawk likes Shanks. Shanks can drink with everyone, that doesn't mean they are besties.

    Akainu attacked everyone, he never stopped like Mihawk did. Mihawk attacking Daz Bones but then stops against Crocodile should tell you something. ;)
     
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    Not the manga but the vivre card but you dont believe it because its your desperation you opened the thread back then and I everything you pointed out is wrog right now

    hype and reality are different things Jozu was easily defeated by Kuzan so the hype is gone right now
    Vista held his own against an Admiral like opponent


    Easy Zoro found an greater ambition than his own to support his captain and crew and he wanted to get stronger WSS is his aim but even if he woulndt accomblish it in the two years his main objective to get stronger to help his crew was fullfilled

    mhhh he trained there right ? so one of the okama helped him
    kicking off a laser doesnt show he is more than a swordsman when he just fought with the sword he didnt teach Luffy how to fight he teached him haki there is major difference he taught him haki not an combat style

    he survived barly unharmed even though he faced off Mihawk and other marines

    They were talking pirate a shichibukai isnt a pirate he is an ally of the goverment and his crimes were pardoned

    Nope not especially Doffy easily stopped Jozu and handled gear 4
    Nope they are friendly as he sought to meet him and they partied Mihawk is not a random visitor

    yes thats what I mean he attacked and clashed with Marco panles later both fight somewhere else
    Kizaru fights commander next panel both are somewhere else
     
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    "He was bored" lol
    Yet don't mind finishing weaklings

    please I've seen this joke of arguments for years. The manga states that Mihawk couldnt and saw that Fighting vista will be a pain, so he postponed .

    The only top tier to do so lol
     
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