News The Evolution of The Print Numbers of Kingdom Manga Volumes

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  1. KING EXPLOSION MURDER

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    I do believe longetivity plays a factor in the greatness of a manga only when the number of chapters is the same

    You are comparing 150 chapters Vinland Saga to 900 chapters of OP for w/e reason.

    Give VS 750 more chapters and it would slaughter OP
     
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    An advice , he will never give good arguments because he never has , he refuses any real argument and only approves his pow as being the truth so a debate with him is plain headache at best !

    But I do like your devotion, keep it up.
     
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    Then what you're telling me is.. you judge shit on "WHAT IF"s not "WHAT IS"..

    When number of chapters is the same... longevity is a 0 factor, as both have displayed the same amount of longevity. Vinland Saga in 13 years has put out 143 chapters.. One Piece has dished out 500+ chapters in that same amount of time.. those 500+ chapters put out by OP are superior in quality as a whole to the 143 put out by VS in that same amount of time. You're acting like Vinland Saga is even close to matching OP as a whole, it's far from it. You don't compare a book chapter to chapter.. you compare it as a whole lol.

    You're pretty much asking for pitty points for them now man. I don't judge shit on "what if it was.." too bad it isn't. When VS pulls 900 chapters of sustained quality you'll have your argument then, by that time OP will have lord knows how many.

    I hate what ifs, they take away credit from people/things that have already done it.

    "What if Shaq had a sustained longevity of constant quality like Kareem did.. well too bad he freaking didn't."

    We're gonna be going back & forth at this I assume lol. So just gonna go back to my point, people have different ways of judging them, and to each his own mate.


    PS: give Ravages of time 900 chapters it'll be the greatest Comic to ever exist
     
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    It is not what if , it is what is.

    And what is is that OP has 750 more chapter than VS , 400 than Kingdom.... for w/e reason and you are judging on that instead of juding OP when compared to a manga of its size.

    You are ignoring the fact OP is much larger and thus has more room to develop characters and the world.

    But hey , you do you
     
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    And you're ignoring the fact that OP has more chapters because the mangaka of OP is putting in the work.. You want me to give VS the same amount of chapters as OP, when the dude isn't putting in the same work as Oda. This isn't well-fare man lol.

    You don't get chapters handed to you, where's the proof VS will have a sustained quality over 900 chapters ?? Nowhere.

    What if: VS had 900 chapters

    What is: it doesn't, it only has 143


    Whoa whoa.... OP has more chapters, because Oda is writing a story where he wants to have highly developed characters and world, thus he has consistently dished out more chapters. He wasn't, handed a number of chapters & then told to make the story to fit in those chapters, the story he is telling is what decides how many chapters there will be. And if VS doesn't have that many chapters it's because the mangaka didn't want it to be a grander story like OP..

    Why should I dock OP for having more chapters in the same amount of time as VS?? (2005- to now)


    Judging a book on chapter - chapter basis , rather than comparing the 2 books as a whole is a bad way to judge for me, simply discredits the person that who put in more time. Buttt diff people have diff ways to judge.
     
  6. Gotta catch'em all

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    Basing it on history doesn't make it easier, if anything the creative constraints make the series harder to do because all your writing decisions have to factor in "would this make sense if [insert event] is going to happen" and because of this extremely large amounts of pre-planning is necessary because even one uncharacteristic action from a character can come back to bite you whereas with one piece Oda can do whatever he wants because it's his world and he has the ability to completely flesh out and make it, and it's characters however he pleases so he has to use significantly less time thinking about how his story is going to play out. An obvious example would be where Oda thought that the series would end a few arcs after Alabasta but because of the suprising popularity, the series got extended (this also resulted in the obvious chopper marketing scheme and the blatant fanservice) and he created material for more future arcs.

    longevity is a pretty rubbish thing to base quality on, should I say that bleach was better than koe no katachi because it had nearly 700 chapters? Sales are a horrible measure as well, Oyasumi punpun had pathetic sale numbers in comparison to series like FT and OP but is generally considered up there with berserk and jojo's bizarre adventure for greatest manga of all time.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 20, 2018 ---
    One Piece
    Highly developed characters

    choose one

    Putting more time doesn't make a series better, koe no katachi has had 10x more character development in 62 chapters than OP has had in 900. This is one of the most widely criticised aspects of OP because they have some development in their initial arc but literally have none afterwards. Dressrossa had 102 chapters but was dragged out and ended up just feeling like a slog. Also you have to keep in mind that best series rn refers to the quality of a manga at the current state. Are we realistically going to say WCl, one of the most plot armor ridden OP arcs is legitimately better than the zhao invasion arc?
     
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    I am pretty sure Hara and the rest of mangaka put in a lot of work. But they have their schedules for their reasons.

    Not a reason to take that into the consideration that OP is better than them.

    I judge a manga by

    Main categories.

    1. Character development - VS takes the cake here followed by HxH

    2. World building - OP takes the cake here followed by HxH and Kingdom

    3. Art - Berserk and VS have the best followed by op

    Side.

    4. Pace
    5. Hype

    Longetivity doesn't do it for me to be a criteria
     
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    Really now you started great but ended bad !

    Again you all don't seem to have read Bakuman at all!

    Popularity is the most important aspect of a manga!
    And aka it seams it is popular to compare FT as OP sorry but is is not same FT is not in the same category and even not in the same tier so worst argument as ever and always used by the people that believe OP is not that great!

    Sales are not what ... it means that a lot of people like that piece so again that is a objective feat but you know that series is better because I say so or other say so that is superficial at best because you know what your are not critiques just plain readers aka another +1 !

    AND UNDERSTAND THIS OP BROKE MANY RECORDS and is number #1 for 11 years this is the context that it has o contrer to FT!

    Research what ever grade you want and you will see that OP as a manga is in top so again because you don't believe it is one of the best it doesn't make it so because the majority decides and not 2 or 3 peoples !

    And by the way you are on a FORUM dedicate to OP figures that is another fact that it is a great manga because of it's fans!

    Again we are not revising GOETHE OR BALZAC here but shounen manga so again you all seam to believe that a singular individual opinion maters but you know what it does not matter but the collect opinion and that contradicts you all by a mile :D.

    And it seams you are bend on highly developed characters, do you believe that this is the only aspect that makes a great manga hmm :(, it seams you understand little of what OP does and only try to find character development so again personal opinion and not a great one!
     
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  9. Gotta catch'em all

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    I've been reading bakuman since the series first got translated into english by viz after I saw it advertised in a magazine, it was one of the first manga series I read. It makes a pretty good point that sales exist to keep series afloat because people like money but they're never an accurate depiction of a series quality, bakuman especially never once mentions that sales = good manga because last time I checked . It simply means the series is popular, it's why DBZ despite being considered underwhelming after the first saga by most of it's fanbase is still by far the most popular manga franchise in every aspect. Because fans have seen that the series can be great so they continue buying more volumes. I don't even get what you mean by me comparing FT to OP, cause I didn't compare them. Hell, I've done several posts on this website literally saying that FT is trash in comparison to OP so your point makes zero sense. If you mean the sales numbers example then what do you want me to put there? Naruto? My point would be exactly the same with a different manga. Sales numbers aren't indicators of high quality, it simply means the manga is/was above average and had a wide audience it could attract. One Piece's sales are almost all in japan (Naruto and DBZ easily outrank it in international sales) as well where the series is around $4-5 per volume which is dirt cheap so parents can buy them a copy while grocery shopping because manga obviously a lot easier to find, especially OP which is practically a household name.


    the majority of 'plain readers' have the same complaints as me, however a significant majority of the people don't drop series from a slump (this is the case for literally every manga with 1m+ sales figures) so the sales numbers are still high. Even I still consistently buy One Piece manga, I legitimately enjoy the series, but unlike you I don't ignore the fact that this series has significant flaws because 'muh sale numbers'. I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I dislike one piece as a whole from, because on this thread alone I've only ever said that the recent arcs of one piece have been underwhelming (with the exception of zou), I've never stated that OP was 'bad' and all my direct comparisons were towards manga considered some of the best of all time like berserk and oyasumi punpun. Unfortunately on OJ unless you have the opinion that One Piece is a perfect creation and that Oda is god you're opinion is automatically deemed invalid, yeah what a great fanbase. I prefer the one piece fanbase on /r/one piece because in general they've read more than 2 manga and criticise the series when it needs to be criticised however OJ has a much stronger community feeling and the tokyo ghoul fanbase on the site is what really kept me here over the one piece discussion because most of it for some reason ends up becoming extremely uncivilised and aggressive, best example is ofc the zoro vs sanji thread which has gotten locked several times already for these exact reasons. Though to be fair one of my favourite people on this site was a frequent poster on that specific thread.

    Also you literally argued against one sentence I wrote, which was easy to refute. Not to mention two of your arguments were arguing against things I never mentioned. You also don't take into account volume to sales ratio which is a much more important factor than just the sales.
     
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    Props to kingdom getting the recognition and the popularity it derseves.
    Now its Vinland Saga turn. :3
     
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    First of all spacing for god sake :(.

    Too big of a rant for I to counter, also some of my point were in general favor and not against you so sorry about that, I myself have read more the 1000 titles and still see OP in my top 10 because of the same quality for so many years also Naruto an bleach are not a good example and Dragon ball the same!

    Also do note that I am a big fan of Kingdom do I prefer more Attack on titan , Vagabond, Samurai X etc.

    Ok you will learn from now one I never claim something that I don't back up :D :

     1,544,000 ONE PIECE 49
     1,678,208 ONE PIECE 50
     1,646,978 ONE PIECE 51
    1,952,551 One Piece vol.52
    2,057,528 One Piece vol.53
     1,963,696 One Piece vol.54
     1,810,410 One Piece vol.55
    2,480,124 One Piece vol.56
    2,578,730 One Piece vol.57
    2,557,356 One Piece vol.58

     2,593,580 One Piece vol.59
     2,492,183 One Piece vol.60
     3,382,588 ONE PIECE 61
     3,207,568 ONE PIECE 62
     3,073,175 ONE PIECE 63
     2,652,700 ONE PIECE 64
     3,336,992 ONE PIECE 65
     3,320,744 ONE PIECE 66
     3,044,901 ONE PIECE 67
     2,390,625 ONE PIECE 68
     3,147,224 ONE PIECE 69
     3,039,487 ONE PIECE 70
     2,890,263 ONE PIECE 71
     2,354,005 ONE PIECE 72
     3,010,801 ONE PIECE Vol.73
     2,834,558 ONE PIECE Vol.74
     2,698,071 ONE PIECE Vol.75
     3,185,018 One Piece Vol.76
     3,020,137 One Piece Vol.77
     2,977,466 One Piece Vol.78
     2,810,583 One Piece Vol.79

    One Piece vol. 84 – 2,730,184

    One Piece vol. 85 – 2,688,847
    One Piece vol. 86 – 2,496,033
    One Piece vol. 87 – 2,040,375

    Compare it with Kingdom:
    #28 : 190 000
    #32 : 280 000
    #40 : 530 000
    #41 : 570 000
    #44 : 650 000
    #45 : 680 000
    #48 : 740 000
    #49 : 750 000
    #50 : 800 000

    Compare it with Attack on Titan:
    1,299,048 Shingeki no Kyojin 1
    1,267,129 Shingeki no Kyojin 2
    1,339,845 Shingeki no Kyojin 8
    1,950,807 Shingeki no Kyojin 9
    1,915,976 Shingeki no Kyojin 10
    1,453,879 Shingeki no Kyojin 11
    1,895,305 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.12 (進撃の巨人 12)
    1,921,457 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.13 (進撃の巨人 13)
    1,773,871 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.14 (進撃の巨人 14)
    2,000,137 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.15
    1,920,780 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.16
    1,807,155 Shingeki no Kyojin Vol.17

    Attack on Titan
    vol. 21 – 1,701,237
    Attack on Titan vol. 22 – 1,649,614
    Attack on Titan vol. 23 – 1,469,864
     

    Mkay :D.

    Sales period covered: 2010/11/22~2011/11/20

    Series Sales:

    1 37,996,373 ONE PIECE
    2  6,874,840 NARUTO
    3  5,223,712 Ao no Exorcist (青の祓魔師)
    4  4,701,596 FAIRY TAIL
    5  4,665,634 Toriko (トリコ)
    6  4,415,491 Gintama (銀魂)
    7  4,399,938 Bakuman. (バクマン。)
    8  4,187,258 BLEACH
    9  4,109,481 Kimi ni Todoke (君に届け)
    10 4,056,981 GANTZ

    Volume Sales:

    1 3,382,588 ONE PIECE 61
    2 3,207,568 ONE PIECE 62
    3 3,073,175 ONE PIECE 63
    4 2,652,700 ONE PIECE 64
    5 1,229,170 NARUTO 54
    6 1,228,692 Kimi ni Todoke 13 (君に届け 13)
    7 1,189,589 Kimi ni Todoke 14 (君に届け 14)
    8 1,144,295 Fullmetal Alchemist 27 (鋼の錬金術師 27)
    9 1,131,672 NARUTO 55
    10 1,090,567 NARUTO 57

    So 2010/11/22~2011/11/20 : 37,996,373 ONE PIECE with :
    1 3,382,588 ONE PIECE 61
    2 3,207,568 ONE PIECE 62
    3 3,073,175 ONE PIECE 63
    4 2,652,700 ONE PIECE 64


    So as a conclusin in 50 volumes Kingdom has sold 35M
    Compare to OP that sold in 2010/11/22 - 2011/11/20 : 37,996,373 

    So now you should talk about
     
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    I tried to get into Kingdom, I read the first 30 chapter, I just couldn't get into it.
     
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    Thats fine, every body has different taste in things. :3
     
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    It is really good ,as a history "nerd" I am interested in a manga version of the first empire of china :D!
     
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    I've heard nothing but great things about it, but I don't know why it just never clicked with me?
     
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    Well it is taste based , maybe you don't like this kind of pseudo historical themed manga and also bases on China's history and culture :D
     
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    Maybe, one thing that it could be is, there aren't all physical volumes to read, For some reason I like just grabbing a few, and laying down to read like fifty chapters (five volumes) at a time, and when I try and do that on the computer I doesn't feel the same.
     
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    Well too bad for me in my country volumes don't exist I need to go only digital by my trusty Kidle DX Ebook reader is very good for mimicking volumes :p A4 format a good resolution :D!

    The only thing is that 80 volumes of HQ OP viz are 25GB and the DX has only 4GB of slow flash memory so ... :dead::dead::dead:
     
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