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Debunked New Viewpoint on Sanjis "only alive" status

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  1. Deykin

    Deykin

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    Hello everyone, I'm Deykin. This one will be my first ever post on Oro Jackson and I hope you will enjoy this. I'm a fan of One Piece since the early 2000's and developed many theories on my own. I have my own thoughts on many different topics such as why Whitebeard lost in Marinefort, who's the strongest beeing in the whole OPverse (Kizaru), who will defeat BB, or that Luffy already awakened his Fruit.

    So, right to the topic: Why is Sanji wanted only alive?

    Many people on this board and in the depths of the internet think it could be something related to his past, especially his bloodline.
    Perhaps he is a prince, a CD or a son of a Gorosei.
    I honestly dont't believe that his "only alive" poster has something to do with this. There is just to small evidence this could be true.
    I do not believe Rocinante survived and had a son who turned out to be a cook on the Odin, or anything related to this.
    Of course there is always the possibillity that this could be true. That he is a prince of noble blood. But I just don't think this could turn out to be true.

    In my opinion there is something else. Since Enies Lobby I have a theory about Sanji and Zoro. And since Marinefort I think this theory could actually be true.

    So what happened in Enies Lobby?
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    Our M3 developed techniques they just pulled out of nowhere. In the whole series till to their first apperance there were no evidence or related techniques to G2/G3, Ashura and Diable Jambe.

    In Luffys case we had the chance, that Lucci explained Luffys new gained abbilities. But what the hell are Ashura and Diable Jambe? Just why can Marimo and our shitty cook use such techniques?

    In Zoros case I thought it could be because of his Kitetsu and the curse of it. In Sanjis case I thought it could be a Heat Dial. But again, to small or even no evidence. As the series did go on I always thought about this particular two techniques.

    Also I always thought of one particular thing.
    The OPverse Oda created has something I always appreciated: the OPverse is a magical world, without magic!

    Every single ability in One Piece is explainable. Either with devil fruits, Haki, or Skill.
    In the whole world there is not a single case of unexplainable "magic".
    Please keep this in mind as you go on.

    So what the hell are Ashura and Diable Jambe?
    To clear this, we have to go a looong way :D


    First we start with this:
    D: Excuse me!! May I pose a serious question to the typically-vulgar SBS?? In Volume 46, Usopp said that the same power doesn't exist twice. But this doesn't make sense with what you said in the Volume 45 SBS... If theGomu Gomu no Mi was in a book of fruits, then Luffy HAD to have eaten at least the SECOND known example of the fruit! Now, most beautiful and intelligent Ei-chan, explain it all! ✩ P.N. Takafi

    O: Very sharp of you. But I'm cool. I haven't made any mistakes. As a hint, let me rephrase what Usopp is saying. "The same powers don't exist twice AT THE SAME TIME". How's that? For more detail, you'll just have to wait for a certain professor to make his appearance in the story, and explain exactly what the Devil Fruits REALLY are... Eventually.

    This is from SBS 48. We can assume, that this certain professor will be Vegapunk himself. He will explain how Devil Fruits are created and work.

    So why is this important for this theory?
    Now put yourself in the situation of Oda. You thought, that your Manga will end shortly after Alabasta. But you and your Producers did created something extraordinary good. So you keep on going creating new content. You give it more and more story, and more and more background. One of the main, if not the main mystery in your story are the Devil Fruits. It would fit them, if you not just explain them, but connect the mystery of the Devil Fruits with your protagonists
    Four of them already have one. But what would happen, if two more of the crew get fruits? And by getting you create more to their story than just eating them.

    In Skypea the time was not right. Zoro had to get a slashing technique and Sanji... well... just wanted a little lighter.

    The time to start explaining Devil Fruits came in the Water 7/Enies Lobby Saga.
    Again, Zoro and Sanji pulled Ashura and Diable Jambe out of nowhere in a world without magic.
    Now my theory: Oda started explaining the mystery of the Devil Fruits with Ashura and Diable Jambe.

    Till the Dressrosa arc, both techniques are not explainable. Both are supernatural. But don't forget, there is not a single supernatural case in One Piece. Everything is explainable.
    During the Marinefort Arc I came to the conclusion that Ashura and Diable Jambe are the beginning of two Devil Fruits!
    Zoro and Sanji will never eat Devil Fruits, both of them are in the process of creating two brand new Fruits!

    But how did I pull that one?
    Because of Sengoku!
    Just think about it: Sengoku has the Hito Hito no Mi: Model Daibatsu.
    Heck, Zoro developed a technique that is basically the same. If you assume that his ability could be transfered to a Fruit, it could be named Hito Hito no Mi: Model Ashura.

    So basically my theory to this point is, that Zoro and Sanji are in the process of developing two brand new Devil Fruits.
    Something like Hito Hito no Mi: Model Ashura in Zoros Case and something realated with Heat, Rotation or perhaps Passion in Sanjis Case.

    Now back to Oda:
    As the writer you gave two protagonists a Devil Fruit in progress. But to this point in the story you did not played that card of explaining their abbilities. You professor, who will explain the mystery, is still not part of your story. But now, at 3/4 of your story the right time is coming slowly to explain the big mystery. But not in a ordinary boring, but awesome unpredictable way.

    And here comes the second part of my theory.
    The WG wants Sanjis Fruit in progress. Many in the fanbase assume, that Sanjis "only alive" status is due to a clear picture the Marines could get of Sanji. I believe his status is due to the actions of Sanji, after the Time Skip.

    Their is a huge difference between Sanjis Diable Jambe and Zoros Ashura. After Enies Lobby the Diable Jambe became Sanjis signature move. He used it everywhere. Zoro on the other side pulled Ashura just twice and never again.
    So in Enies Lobby only Kaku and Jyabura saw the techniques, no one else. Before the TS there was no marine who saw the Diable Jambe, except Sentomaru, who was not a marine to this moment and the Pacifista, which was barely scratched after the Flambage Muton Shot.
    My point is, that the Diable Jambe and Ashura techniques were not confirmed by the WG before the TS. Even the finishing move was Lufffys Gigant Rifle which blow away all evidence of Ashura and Diable Jambe on that Pacifista.

    After the TS Sanjis Diable Jambe broke the neck of a Pacifista and was seen by a whole branch of marines in Punk Hazard. The Diable Jambe was confirmed by the Marines and WG, whereas Ashura is still a mystery to everyone except Kaku and Sentomaru.

    So why is Sanji wanted "only alive"?

    I think there is a possibility, that the WG wants Sanji because they know, that he has a devil fruit in progress. It is possible, that they know, how to transfer abilities in progress to fruits and create new ones.
    I even do think, that the national treasure, which Doflamingo knows about, could be a transfer method of Devil Fruits in Progress. (Sad: extracting abilities; Smile: implanting abilities)

    This whole thought of me could be the reason why Sanji is wanted alive. If he would die, his ability would die with him.

    I don't know how, but I think that Oda will explain us the creation of Devil Fruits with Sanji and Vegapunk.

    I don't claim that this is the absolute thruth. Of course this theory could turn out to be absolute bull!@#t. Sanjis only alive wanted poster could be literally anything from noble blood theories or anything else. Oda could even pull a typical Okama CD card, who wants Sanji for himself :D
    I also know, that this therory has quite sone flaws.
    But if Oda takes Sanji serious this time, this could turn out to be true.

    Thanks for reading, and please be gentle to a knewbie here :yaaa:
     
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  2. "CrimsonBlade" Shanks

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    I like it very much. Finally a different approach to Sanjis only alive bounty poster! One piece is a box full of unexpected things, people were going on about Lucci or a Samurai being the 7th Warlord and those theories got shot down in one chapter :D my point is, the more "impossible" the better, because despite what most people think, in my humble opinion, I don't think you can predict One Piece through common logic and padrons :p
     
  3. The Buddha

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    i liked this theory for its approach.nice read :D :yaaa:
     
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    ok interesting theory and good read
    one thing you got wrong is kaku never saw Diable Jambe and sanji Diable Jambe could be explained by armoured haki because luffy uses armoured haki to make his arm burst in to flame so that's how he most likely how red hawk is made, so it wouldn't be a big stretch that's how Diable Jambe work.
     
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  5. Deykin

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    Sry, you got me wrong there. You're right, Kaku never saw Sanjis Diable Jambe. At that point I referred to Zoros Ashura ;)
     
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    Nice theory mate. Lovely, fresh take on that topic XD. But if that was the case, then why wouldn't the WG want the DF Zoro is supposedly in the process of making? I hardly think that that fruit would be any less powerful than Sanji's. Anyway goof job mate.
     
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  7. Gabriel T

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    I do not agree with the theory but nice train of thought.
    But the main flaw is thinking that Oda didn't plan OP in advance.
    I can safely say that when he started East Blue he had at least until Fishmen Island covered.
     
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    This was a very interesting read, I like the idea, and who knows, Oda may make it so, but we know that Sanji can swim, and so can Zoro, so would the lack of swimming (being a "hammer") come when the DF ability actually moves into a fruit?
     
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  9. luckyroo

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    nice point of view with lots of interesting fact

    but tbh, if this is ture this is so 'not one piece' this is more like HxH power mystery

    also, i want your theory about the devil fruit because i never read any theory about developing devil fruit by training .. i just cant get what you mean by devil fruit in progress
     
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  10. -H-

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    Well, nice and complete theory, and very interesting I must say! New point of view, mind opening. Sweet read I had!
     
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  11. Go D. Usopp

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    I dunno about as far as Fishman Island but given that all of the things from Thriller Bark were planned before Oda supposedly "extended" One Piece, I think it's safe to assume that he planned at least that far. He likes to play innocent with his planning but I don't buy it

    Ryuuma of course is from Monsters, Brook was in the original character designs and Laboon was introduced at the start of the Grand Line


    Back on topic, the theory was an interesting read but I can't say I support it largely because it would contradict my own theory on where DFs come from. Nice thoughts regardless
     
  12. Aka Hata X

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    Your theory makes a contradiction whith another one I read time ago about how haki gave form to asura and a demon for Sanji, but I think is unlikely to create your own DF, maybe similar properties like becoming faster/stronger but not a DF.
     
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    Very nice approach!
    I especially like the explanation why the WG didn't know about Diable Jamble and Ashura pre-TS. I never thought of it that way :eek:
    I'm not sure if your theory is correct, because it would kind of contradict with the DF cycle and DFs growing out of actual fruits.
    But if a theory is correct doesn't matter, as long as it's as good as this one.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts :yaaa: :D
     
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    Very nice theory different thinking about DF's and all very nice :)
     
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    Could be...because Oda in SBS said that Sanji's powers come out from his "Soul"...which could be a DF...i believe DF's have souls..
     
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    loving this theory-Sanjis my favorite straw hat so I enjoy theories about him a lot but FINALLY a new Sanji theory other than the same 'Sanji is royalty' theory rehashed-please come up with more original stuff like this i would love to read it
     
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    Not bad...i have to say i'm impressed about this thought. I don't know whether it is going to happen or not but it is a very interesting theory and you explained it very well with good points. Well the possobility for Oda to explain the DF's with Vegapunk and Sanji could turn out to be true! Good effort and keep it up!
     
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    I really like the idea of a devil fruit in progress and think you may be on to something! I remember reading something where Oda said that the spiral of Sanji's eyebrows has something to do with the origin of living things/symmetry, I guess similar to Fibonacci's sequence. So in that regard maybe that's a sign that he's the originator of a DF.

    Thanks for the nice read.:yaaa:
     
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    Genius theory bro !

    Everything makes sense, and this is finally different from other nobles theories ! Though, you didn't completely cleared the fact that Oda said Luffy needed to eat two Devil fruits. I still didn't get that but we will eventually know in the future thanks to Vegapunk.
     
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    Great theory, I'd love if it was true
    I'm half expecting it to be joke tho, so maybe an okama cd fell for him.
     
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