Discussion MouBu VS Houken

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Who will win in a duel?

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  1. Curse

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    Moubu would win quite easily if it's army vs army.
    Moubu would win with high diff if it were an 1vs1 most likely.

    Houken is superior to everyone in the manga martially, but he has no weight, which will be his downfall in the manga as well.
     
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    true that
     
  3. jorboku

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    When exactly is shown in the manga that moubu has a weight of great general.he is the one causing ouki death and let emotion get better of him.all he got is defeating kanmei and ppl already speak he above houken lol.did you forget that kanmei getting distracted because mouten butt in.houken already taking down ouki,kyou,duke hyou,shin,kyokai,and gekishin.those alone already surpass kanmei on every aspect.
    unless you ppl sugesting defeating kanmei>defeating ouki+kyou+duke hyou+gekishin combine.houken will wipe the floor against moubu,it will be ferocius battle but houken still win.it funny when ppl talking about moubu strength like sending horse flying and shit and forgot that houken charging on against 20k of kyou army all by himself no army no tactic just pure strength manage to kill kyou and clashing with ouki afterward getting cut by ouki,being hit by barrage of arrow and survive and he done it again during banyou arc.put houken instead moubu against kanmei and the result is still the same.the only reason shin can defeated houken because he is main character and nothing else.if you put army against army than houken definitely lost because houken doesnt know military strategic but if you put one vs one houken definetlly win.houken defeated those ppl before coalition thats mean he even more stronger than now.
     
  4. TheoryKing

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    All Great Generals possess Weight.
     
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    I think Houken will win!

    Although Moubu pocess great strength and even weight of a great general, Houken's martial powers is far above his imo.
     
  6. RuffDriver

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    Doesn't matter. Moubu had already destroyed Kanmei's mace, even before he got distracted. Also, Kanmei had stated (before the battle) that if he was to use his Sword it would just get shattered by Moubu's mace, which is why he took out his mace. So his loss at that Point was already set in Stone, Mouten butting in only made it worse, that's it.

    Since we're Talking About butting in: Ouki had Houken defeated, actually, during Banyou, but lost only due to the arrow that was shot at him. Even before that he had the opportunity to kill Houken, but was distracted by Riboku's Arrival.

    How does he wipe the Floor with him in a ferocious battle? Almost sounds like an Oxymoron.

    I think Moubu is the stronger of the two in Terms of brute strength. Houken got overpowered by others multiple times now, so brute strength is definitely not his defining trait. What makes him so dangerous is his martial prowess. In a sense, Moubu is like Shin, and Houken is like Kyoukai.
     
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    Sorry poor choice of words.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 19, 2018, Original Post Date: Jul 19, 2018 ---
    The only one who overpowered houken is ouki.he overpowered gekishin,kyou and duke hyou during their battle since every general he face so far are now dead.and moubu being overpowered by kanmei several time also.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 19, 2018 ---
    The fact still remain,houken defeated 4 great general level 2 of them was qin six.by this feat alone he already surpass moubu by huge margin.general weigh or not houken already superior against moubu.
     
  8. RuffDriver

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    Duke and Shin also overpowered him. Either way, simply the fact that Ouki was able to overpower him is more than enough, because Kanmei had already stated that Oukotsu was said to be the strongest out of the Qin 6 in Terms of brute strength. Kanmei bested Oukotsu, and Moubu bested Kanmei.

    Can't argue against the rest, except for Ouki: like I said before, Ouki basically had him bested, but lost only lost due to interruptions (twice at that!). You can't just ignore this, especially since it was you who brought up the Argument About Moubu defeating Kanmei only due to some distraction, which wasn't the case though.

    So no, he does not surpass Moubu by a huge margin. I'm not saying Moubu wins, but you're exaggerating the gap in-between the two of them.
     
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    Houken has better portrayal imo
    He caused the death of 2 very important characters, Duke Hyou and especially Ouki
     
  10. jorboku

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    Thats i wanna try to say.with the feats alone houken already surpassing moubu.i dont know why ppl stil debating about who is stronggest when the evidance is clear as day.unless moubu defeated more great general than houken i still placing houken at the stronggest.
     
  11. Junj

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    Not to mention he killed another member of 6 Great Generals of Qin Kyou. But I still dont like his potrayal, he doesnt look like a general to me, more like a martial artist.
     
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    MouBu. He have more weight.
     
  13. shade0180

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    I wouldn't say he caused them.

    He just landed the killing blow at most.

    Ouki got done in when he got hit by the arrow. Which was an important plot point for his death without that He would have won agaisnt Houken.

    Duke Hyou was done in by the wave formation. Same shit with Ouki if that wasn't in there he more than likely would leave that place alive.

    Basically it is more of a testament for Riboku's strategy more than Houken's strength.
     
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  14. jorboku

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    Duke hyou manage to escape riboku formation,he want to attack riboku if not for houken to interfere.the duel between them isnt last long cause houken is superior than duke even the duke himself aware of that since he told to shin not to assist him and go on.mouten also interfere battle between moubu vs kanmei.
     
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    Yes but he got beaten by it. Same shit. Houken is just the killing knife.

    Again the formation has done some damage to Duke hyou, both physically and mentally while Houken was relatively fresh when he faced Duke Hyou.

    And a tired Duke Hyou still gave trouble to a that Houken.
     
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    Ouki > Houken > Moubou
     
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  17. jorboku

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    He beating up by houken not riboku is two different things.
    --- Double Post Merged, Sep 6, 2018, Original Post Date: Sep 6, 2018 ---
    He manage to confuse riboku army by throwing his banner so he can sneak up to riboku hq.the wound he had is from previous fight against keisha army 120k with his only 40k.the trouble you mention only last couple second compare to trouble that ouki give to houken.houken didnt even bleed.
    --- Double Post Merged, Sep 6, 2018 ---
    Thats right
     
  18. shade0180

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    why are you even Comparing duke hyou to Ouki when we all know Ouki is above Duke Hyou.

    :hmmm: The whole point here is a fresh Houken is having trouble with a tired Duke Hyou.

    Not Ouki being above to Duke Hyou considering we all agree that Ouki is that much stronger than most of the cast.

    Yea case by case basis.

    and actually it is on this occasion.

    Considering Riboku has done more damage than Houken did.

    It's like you throwing a punch and knocking out your enemy after your friend beat him up, tired him down and all that and telling everyone how strong you are because you knock him out.

    :hmmm: That's how absurbed houken wank is and people can't seem to see that.
     
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2018
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