Moubu: If you look at the fight between Moubu and Kanmei, we were told that they were equal when it comes to physical strength and martial arts talent. What set them apart was that Kanmei had more achievements under his belt and thus had more strength of a general. Moubu then shattered that and proved that his strength of general was higher than that of Kanmei. He had more weight on his shoulder than Kanmei did. If Moubu failed, that would have been the end of Qin, SHK believed in him thus he could not disappoint him, his family believed in him and all of Qin was relying on him. Houken: He doesn't have the strength of a general/weight of a general Was getting defeated by Ouki because Ouki had the strength of a general/ weight of a general. Dyuke Hyou overpowered Houken at one point because of his strength of a general/ weight of a general. In the Kanmei vs Moubu fight, the following 3 categories are what are used to determine who is stronger than the other and is used to determine who is the strongest in China: Physical strength Martial arts talent/ability Strength of a general Moubu vs Houken: In physical strength: Moubu has been shown to be stronger than Houken Moubu was able to send Kanmei with his horse flying. Moubu was able to overpower Kanemi and cause Kanmei's arm to break. Moubu managed to break both Kanmei's mace and sword. If I remember correctly, at no point in time was Houken ever able to send Ouki with his horse flying as far as Moubu did to Kanmei or send Dyuke Hyou with his horse flying as far as Moubu did to Kanmei. (I can't remember this stuff accurately so I might be wrong) Houken never managed overpower Ouki/ Dyuke Hyou to the point where managed to break their arms. If am not mistaken, he managed to cut Dyuke Hyou's arm but didn't break it. (I can't remember this stuff accurately so I might be wrong) Houken failed to break Ouki's glaive. As for Dyuke Hyou's glaive, I can't remember properly, he either destroyed it or he didn't. In martial arts: Houken is better than Moubu He has a technique similar to the priestess dance however, his is limitless Houken managed to hold his own against 2 top tiers i.e Ouki and Dyuke Hyou. Moubu has only fought 1 top tier Houken's strength stat is higher than Moubu's. Strength stats measure overall fighting ability of the individual In strength of general/weight of general: Moubu is better than Houken This is a strength that is obtained based on the achievements a person has accumulated as they climb the ranks in the military. Houken is not even a true military officer, he was just promoted to great general because of his fighting ability. Moubu on the other hand is a true military officer and has a lot of achievements under his belt. In conclusion: Moubu will win this fight. He is better in 2/3 of the categories and we also know that strength of a general/weight of a general plays a very big role in a fight as evident by the fact that Ouki was wining despited Houken being better than him. Moubu and Shin: Even if Shin defeats Houken, it won't mean he is the strongest in China. There are a couple of reasons: To be the strongest in China, you need to be the best in all 3 categories that were detailed in the Moubu vs Kanmei fight. Physical strength, martial arts talent/skill and strength of a general. Moubu will be the best in those 3 categories. There is also the fact that Moubu defeated the man recognized as the strongest, Kanmei, while Houken is not recognized as the strongest in the entire world. (IIRC There is no where it has been explicitly stated that Houken is the strongest man in the world while Kanmei was stated to be the strongest even by SHK. His title as the strongest is what made him the rock that held the coalition army together. His defeat would mark the defeat of the coalition army which is exactly what happened.) Strongest in China vs strongest GG: The strongest in China title is about fighting ability Strongest GG can be interpreted in 2 ways: either the strongest fighter among the GG or the greatest GG. If we use the first interpretation of strongest GG, then Moubu will be that guy simply because he wants to be the strongest in China and he also happens to be a GG. So by being the strongest in China, he will by default be the strongest GG. If we use the second interpretation of strongest GG, then Shin will be that guy because, he wants to be the greatest GG in the heavens. --- Double Post Merged, Mar 30, 2018, Original Post Date: Mar 30, 2018 --- It looks like you need to go back and reread the Moubu vs Kanmei fight. Moubu eclipses Ouki when it comes to endurance. Kanmei's mace swing was strong enough to break Moubu's arm but Moubu managed to survive the mace swing to the head. If you reread that fight, there is no way you can reach the conclusion that Ouki is better than Moubu when it comes to endurance. --- Double Post Merged, Mar 30, 2018 --- Go reread the Moubu vs Kanmei fight. In that fight, Moubu was relying: on physical strength martial arts skill strength of a general. We are told that Moubu's physical strength and martial arts talent is equal to that of Kanmei and that the deciding factor of the fight would be the person with the greatest strength of a general. In the fight, Moubu and Kanmei were swinging their maces so fast and with so much strength that the shrapnel from broken pieces of the maces, went flying and killed the bystanders. Ouki won against Houken because, he had the strength of a general/weight of a general. Houken doesn't have that strength because he is not a true military officier. In the Moubu vs Kanmei fight, strength of a general is described as the strength obtained from the avhievements someone gains while they climb up the ranks. It is for this very reason that Kanmei was considered the strongest in China. He went undefeated and conquered 100 cities in 4 states Qi, Wei, Han and Zhao. Moubu would own Houken considering he defeated Kanmei despite the fact that Kanmei was considered to have a greater strength of a general. Moubu overcame Kanmei's strength of a genera whereas Houken lost against Ouki specifically because of the strength of a general. --- Double Post Merged, Mar 30, 2018 --- Go reread the Moubu vs Kanmei fight. Kanmei's title was not a selfproclaimed title. The entire China saw him as the stongest man in the entire China. It is because of this very reason that Kanmei was the rock that held together the entire coalition army. His defeat meant the end of the coaltion army. SHK even considered Kanmei as the strongest man in China because of his achievements. Kanmei went undefeated and conquered 100 cities in 4 states, Qi, Wei, Han and Zhao. Martial arts duesl in Kingdom aren't just about stats and that the one with higher stats wins. This is proven by the fact that Ouki won against houken despite having a lower stat. If you read the Moubu vs Kanmei fight you will see that there are 3 categories that can decide the outcome of a fight: Physical strength Martial art skill Strength of a general The strength stat that Hara provides is based on the overall fighting ability of the individual i.e it takes into account their physical abilities like strength, reflexes etc and the martial art skill. It doesn't take into account the strength of a general. Strength of a general is obtained based on the achievements one gets as they climb the military ranks. Mougu's strength stat 90 (before he lost his arm), Renpa's strength stat 97. If you look at the Mougu vs Renpa fight, Mougu had a higher physical strength than Renpa despite having a lower strength stat than Renpa. Each time his blow connected with Renpa's glaive, he overpowered Renpa and sent Renpa with his horse flying, however, Renpa was never able to send Mougu flying. Renpa had better glaive skills, was faster with the glaive thus he was able to injure Mougu each time his blows landed where as Mougu was unable to injure Renpa cause his skills with the glaive were lower than Renpa's, his other physical stats were also lower than Renpa's, he couldn't keep up with the speed of Renpa's glaive. Renpa had a higher strength of a general. This is why he said Mougu was underestimating Renpa. Renpa was part of the Zhao 3 great heavens and had many achievements thus his strength of a general was higher than Mougu's. It is for those 3 reasons that Moubu will win against Houken. --- Double Post Merged, Mar 30, 2018 --- Houken has no mental block. He just doesn't understand the strength of a general/weight of a general. In an ideal world, Houken should win against anyone in the verse cause his martial arts skill is the highest. However, weaker people can keep up, land attacks and even defeat him because they have the strength of a general while he doesn't. Read the Moubu vs Kanmei fight. They explain perfectly what the strength of a general is. It is the strength that people get when they gather achievements while climbing the military ranks --- Double Post Merged, Mar 30, 2018 --- @TheoryKing, @Zephyr, didn't Ouki say Houken was a superior fighter to him in that very fight. (I might be mistaken about this part) Despite that, Ouki was wining cause of the strength of a general/weight of a general. In the Moubu vs Kanmei fight, strength of a general was described as the strength that someone gets when they gather achievements while climbing the military ranks. The Qin 6, Zhao 3 great heavens, Wei 7 fire dragons, Gaku ki the military god, the giant of Chu, kanmei and the tiger of chu, Kouen, will all have greater achievements that every one else. As a result, their strength of general will be higher than everyone else. In the Renpa vs Mougu fight, Renpa told Mougu to stop underestimating him because he was a Zhao 3 great heavens. The generals you talk about can't hold a candle to the top tier GG when it comes to strength of general. The only one who counts is Dyuke Hyou as he was up there but refused the position. However, his achievements when compared to the Qin 6 are smaller as he didn't do as much as the Qin 6 did since he didn't have the freedom offered by the position.