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Who will win in a duel?

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  1. Zephyr

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    In a duel between them who do you think will win? MouBu or HouKen?



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    [​IMG] 100 Zhao
    Moubu 99 Qin

    1. Do you see MouBu beating HouKen? Or do you see Houken beating MouBu?
    2. If you think Houken>>MouBu then if Shin beats HouKen who has a higher stat than MouBu who do you think China will consider to be the strongest?
    3. If MouBu >> HouKen anf if Shin beats Houken how do you see the scenario of the strongest title play out?
    4. How do you think the relation between the strongest in China individually & the strongest GG in China will play out?
     
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    Hou ken would reck moubou easily.

    Old man ouki >moubou in terms of endurance .
     
  4. Zephyr

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    But it's not just about the duel we will be discussing here. The discussion is primary based on how China will see who is the strongest & how Shin will measure upto that.

    And if Shin beats HouKen then who will be considered strongest in China, how being the strongest has relation with strongest GG etc..
     
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    All you asked about in the OP was the duel though. You could edit to avoid confusion cause right now its a straight up 1v1
     
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    I think Moubu right now after beating Kanmei is considered the strongest in China. But eventually down the line, we'll probably get statements from Hara in the manga, sayin Houken has grown stronger or something of that sort. Which would then result in Shin beating him to grow stronger.

    And this is if Houken truly is the strongest. Because who knows, he might end up making Riboku the smartest + the strongest, especially since Riboku continues to hide his combat prowess.
     
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    Moubu relies on pure strength which isn't enough for houken. Houken's power was above ouki's as the stats show(and moubu's too), yet he lost to ouki twice.

    This was because of a reason we'll probably find out later, like a general's responsibility or something. Moubu probably lacks that and shin will acquire it sometime in the future.
     
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    Mou Bu is the strongest man in China since he pretty much declared himself so after beating another man who was declaring himself the strongest. His title is just hype. Houken would smash him, martial duels in Kingdom are pretty easy, the guy with a higher stat in strength normally wins if it's a clean fight. I also think Riboku has been taking Houken credit way to much. Everyone says Riboku defeated Ouki but no one bothers to ask who bested Ouki in combat or the other general from that Houken defeated. Houken is also yet to go all out, he seems to have some mental block or something.
     
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    @Bold, not necessarily.

    Fights in Kingdom I don't believe are simply strength based stats. Especially after Ouki was laying the wooping on Houken.
     
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    Well for every rule there has to be outliers.

    We didn't have Houken stats when they fought, even then we know Houken has some sort of mental block. Even the battle between Ou Hon and Earl Shi was kind of cheap since the latter wanted to die.
     
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    We know current coalition arc HouKen >> Bayou arc Houken.

    Unless we know his stat back then it's meaningless. He could have same stat as Ouki but was losing because of "Weight of General" or had 99 to Ouki's 98 but Ouki covered that gap with "Weight of General".
     
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    Its stated within the manga his strength was superior to Ouki to a point it was visible, dont need need a stat for it.


    Nothing indicates he improved greatly. Moubu will beat him if he doesnt attain weight of a general.
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    Houken was stated to be the stronger one in strength when they fought.

    He doesnt really have a mental.block. he just failed to understand what made Ouki so damn strong.
     
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    The strength stat represents Martial might right?
    Him failing to understand the concept of "weight of general" is what I'm calling mental block. My bad for poor choice of words.
     
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    Strength is supposed to represent Martial might. But stats in kingdom seem to be like Naruto, meaning don't really give a fully accurate picture.

    Oh I understand that, but it's not really hindrance to him though when he fights against somebody. Like the guy who Ouhon fought was pretty much fighting to die in battlefield, he had no ambition to live.
     
  15. Zephyr

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    He was getting beat by Ouki quite clearly. Houken didn't have a chance after Ouki got serious.

    What are you talking about?

    HouKen beat 2 Great Generals with S level experience & 2 with A level experience.

    MouBu beat someone who had higher service record & "weight". MouBu will certainly be very hard to beat by Houken but it's a bigger possibility than MouBu beating Houken.
     
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    It was pointed out Houken was superior in strength in that very specific fight, despite getting his ass wooped.

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    Weight of a general is dependent on the quality of a general as well , not merely the experience attained by the general. Ouki's weight was far superior to the general that died in the coalition war next to Kanki.
     
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    It's nothing but self grandiose unless confirmed by 3rd party.

    OuKi & Kyou was part of Qin6, Duke was on the same level as Qin6.

    Geki Shin on the other hand was deputy of military god Gaku Ki. Along with GakuKi he drove out the superstate Qi. He was held as "savior of Yan" & was stated to be in the same level as Zhao 3GH.

    None of them are run of the mill Great General you are talking about here.
     
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    Can you show where Houken is into self grandiose?? Lets not say it's self grandiose without having actual basis to even assume that. He's reflecting what he's seeing in front of him:

    Despite him being more skilled/ superior in strength/ superior in speed.. he couldn't do shit to Ouki, you then have Kyoukai right after that, failing to understand how Ouki was able to keep up with Houken, and where his strength came from... which again pointing to what Houken pointed out earlier.

    Which was then credited, by ouki himself.. to.. The Weight Of A General.

    You mentioned Kyou/Duke/GekiShin as if they were Ouki's equal.. lol.
     
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    Anything about talking awesome he himself is part self grandiose.

    Kyoukai didn't know how strong OuKi was anyway. She never saw OuKi fight. Even 3rd army commander RinBou didn't know how strong OuKi was.

    We are talking about weight of general. The generals I mentioned are all top tiers in strength & had weight of general.

    My point was that you don't need WoG to beat characters. It's good to make up for the gap in between but having it no way means a victory in your favor.
     
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    Until this man Houken gets any sort of weight he ain't beating Moubu in any sort of fight lmao
     
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