Fights & Battles Meaning Behind Luffy's Fights !!

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Who among Yonko, Luffy will defeat 1 v 1 in a fair Fight and prove he is finally a Top Tier/PK ?!

  1. "Red-Haired" Shanks

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  2. "Blackbeard" Marshall D. Teach

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  3. "Big Mom" Charlotte Linlin

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  4. "100 Beasts" Kaido

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  1. Salah Eddine

    Salah Eddine

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    Hi guys, you can say that this is kinda a Theory or an Idea of mine that i think might be True

    Luffy had many fights against countless opponents from various places and factions and levels ...... etc
    But the ones that really stand out and were Major Ones (Arc Villain) are: (Basically Strongest Major Villains)
    Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, Moriah, Doflamingo & Katakuri

    What i noticed is that in almost all these Fights, Luffy's Wins are never Satisfying & Questionable:
    • Crocodile was clearly Superior to Luffy, the latter simply got Super Lucky
    • Enel was also much more powerful than Luffy, but due to Rubber Weakness, Luffy won
    • Moriah was clearly Superior to Luffy, it's just that he was nerfed and it wasn't Luffy who delivered the Final Blow (Castle Saved him)
    • Doflamingo's fight is discussed a lot, and Luffy clearly got a lot of help to defeat Doflamingo
    • Lucci is the only one who matched Luffy, and it was a balanced fight and ended in Luffy claiming Victory
    So what's the meaning of all this ?! can't Luffy have a Fair Fight ??!!
    Well i think that Oda did this on purpose, because Luffy is getting stronger all the time, so if all his Opponents matched him and were his Equal, it will become just like Dragon Ball and destroys the whole point of the story where Luffy faces Dangers bigger than himself and survives

    Lucci was the only fair and balanced fight, because it showed us where Luffy really stand in Power Level Pre TS, so the question is, what's the meaning of the others fights ?! how does Luffy wants to become Strongest & PK and he never defeats the Big Shots fairly ??!!
    I think Oda answered this question by introducing Katakuri !!!

    Katakuri is introduced as The Perfect Guy, this was no coincidence, he clearly represents something, specially due to his Bounty being highest at the time, his DF being very similar to Luffy's ...... etc

    Katakuri was clearly a Milestone, a fight to prove Luffy's Worth, i noticed that Katakuri's share similarities with all those Villains i mentioned:
    • He can't be touched and Luffy needed to figure out a solution just like how Crocodile was back at Alabasta
    • He have superior CoO compared to Luffy just like Enel was back at Skypia
    • Luffy had a Time Limit just like when he fought against Moriah
    • Katakuri is awakened User just like Doflamingo and also have CoC (King's Quality)
    So basically Luffy by defeating Katakuri finally proved his worth and destroyed all past debates about his past fights, now he is clearly stronger than everyone he fought against before (The ones he defeated them not Admirals and Mihawk ... etc ofc)
    And as proof of that Luffy got a Huge Bounty and is considered as Yonko Candidate (Fifth Emperor)
    And don't forget what Crocodile in Impel Down, he mentioned Silver Medalists and included himself and introduced them as the ones who are only surpassed by like of Roger & WB (In other Words Top Tiers)

    What i'm trying to say here is that Luffy by defeating Katakuri, proved his worth and how strong he is and that he is finally a Top Silver Medalist who will now aim to become a Gold Medalist and fight Yonko (Fifth Emperor)

    Based on this, i think maybe the same thing will happen with Yonko & Top Tiers !!! maybe Luffy will have Help in defeating Most of Them but Finally EOS he will fight a fair 1 v 1 fight and Win Alone, finally proving himself to be Top Tier and PK
    If you ask me, i'm confident this guy will be Shanks

    Sorry for long post, what do you guys think ?
     
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  2. Beky

    Beky Cracker Katakuri

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    Why are you ignoring all plot point that allowed to Luffy to defeat Katakuri?

    • Merienda
    • Brulle
    • Self Wounding
    If you ask me they way i say it pretty much this : Luffy isn't ready to take the big dogs because of the difference in expirience. Which isn't something bad. I mean look at Shin vs Riboku or Deku vs Chisaki. Luffy is 20 i believe , Doffy and Kata are like 40. They are years of expirience ahead of Luffy so naturally they will be better fighters. Oda introducing a weak flaws to Luffy's enemies is his way of bringing them down to Luffy's level
     
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  3. kiiro94

    kiiro94

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    Well it was 2 rounds vs Katakuri, the first one he lost due running and the second one he won.

    Merienda does not have much to do. I mean, both got more energy by eating. Brulee was the reason he lost since he ran. And self wounding has nothing to do since he did it because he damaged Luffy the same way thanks to Flamble.

    The second time, it was a fair fight.
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 13, 2018, Original Post Date: Aug 13, 2018 ---
    Great argument.

    Yes, IMO it will be Teach.
     
  4. Beky

    Beky Cracker Katakuri

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    No it was 3 rounds

    1st round ended with Merienda

    2nd round ended with Luffy running

    3rd round ended with K.O.

    Merienda has a lot of to do with the victory. It was a plot device that allowed Luffy to discover the secret of Katakuri and his power. Saying it has not much to do is wrong on my levels

    Another falacy. Self Wounding was a problem because Katakuri wanted to kill Luffy only to revert being a "friend" to him. At that point fight lost a major factor which was the one of Death Match.

    Even if you don't take all of that into consideration you still have the fact Katakuri is a pirate that wanted a "fair fight" even tho Luffy himself said it isn't his fault but rather Luffy's because he failed to dodge the shot of Flampe.

    And people love to overuse that plot point of Flampe wounding Luffy as a justification that Katakuri had "leverage" but when you spin the tables Luffy had the same shit against Cracker and Katakuri yet no one cared.

    People do like the spin the narative in their favour a lot

    Ah yes --- a fair fight only on one side - Katakuri's
     
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  5. Redx

    Redx

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    What exactly is the point of this thread? "Meaning behind Luffy's fights" ??? The title doesn't seem to have anything to do with your post. You kept talking about how Luffy didn't have a fair fight. What kind of nonsense is this? Thats just how you create dramatic stakes. By creating complex situations for the characters to get out of. Thats how you write action stories.

    It's like you're only looking at things through the lens of "power" like someone who spends too much time in vs forums.

    Luffy didn't win because of plot.
     
  6. Awakened light

    Awakened light

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    I don’t actually think there was correlation between previous fights and the most recent

    I knew back at the tea a party Luffy needed to legitimately be considered a threat to someone like Katakuri before hoping to challenge top tiers at full strength

    He took the YC1 step within the confides of Oda’s story, and through the same means will continue to take logical steps in strength
    To cut out plot is to cut out the story’s existence, and due to plot everything that has happened up till now exist..

    I guess I’d say the meaning behind the fights are to show his growth in strength; to symbolize how hard he’s worked to become the freest man on the seas and the steps he’d taken obtain his goal
     
  7. vikas

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    no one,he wont fight shanks..cant defeat BM or kaido in 1v1 right now...you can say there is BB but i doubt he wil fight him ... dont think he is the enemy to defeat
     
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  8. ashfr

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    I can't even imagine the dismal state of the Crocodile fight if Luffy knew Haki. So much for that gorgeous first loss, so much for Mizu Luffy and the bloodied hand, so much for Robin saving him.

    Enel being so much stronger than seemingly just about everyone on the island and yet losing to that one guy who was stuck in a snake's stomach - because RUBBER, was the whole fun of it. Imagine if Law didn't help defeat Doflamingo, his sworn enemy, at all.

    All that being said - aside from Flampe, I liked the Katakuri fight anyway, nice character development and probably the single most gorgeous looking fight in the series if nothing else.
     
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  9. BOCCHI

    BOCCHI Wanted! Wanted

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    Maybe BM!? Like one arc after Wano!! Can't be certain cuz she may come to Wano so if not her then it has to be BB who should be at that point the strongest emperor...
     
  10. vikas

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    Nah...defeating yonko is not something which cant be done in few chapters..oda needs a whole arc we wont get for BM again.
     
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  11. BOCCHI

    BOCCHI Wanted! Wanted

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    When did I say BM is gonna be defeated in few chapters?
     
  12. vikas

    vikas

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    yes you did say an arc which i said wont happen as of now since we already had WCI and also got the things needed i.e. prestige and plot(phone-glyph)
     
  13. BOCCHI

    BOCCHI Wanted! Wanted

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    Few chapters = an arc in your opinion!!

    Either way, there's nothing to say she ain't coming back... and it's heavily implied she might be fighting Luffy soon after Kaido.. and things haven't been resolved around her.
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    BM is not out of the story yet
     
  14. Sanji W. Smoke

    Sanji W. Smoke

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    I think Bb is sure shot but he will have more like a friendly match with Shanks before his big fight with BB in which he will be able to match Shanks pretty well proving he is new top tier.
     
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  15. Jo_Ndule

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    There won't be
    Maybe BB at the end

    Shanks will be a good matchup but yeah they won't fight
     
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