Relations & Backstories How rubber and mochi are different and similar

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  1. SanjiKun

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    Rubber and Mochi (or any food) are two completely weird things to compare. Even as Devil Fruits, Luffy is a quintessential paramecia, while Katakuri is only a paramecia in name, since foods can't be logias. Only in the context of Japanese culture would those two draw parallels between them.

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    So what makes them similar? Obviously, it's that both rubber and mochi can be stretched. In fact, Katakuri can stretch even more than Luffy.

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    However, Luffy took pride in his Devil Fruit, and believed Rubber to be the Superior Devil Fruit:

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    So what makes them different? According to Luffy, it's that "rubber always bounces back". In true cliche, shonen fashion, he's a character that always gets back up after hardship.

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    This doesn't mean that Katakuri's arm doesn't return to normal after being stretched. It's that rubber's tendency to do so, is immensely higher.

    Obviously, this was a nod to their personality and strengths as well. Luffy doesn't mind hitting the ground. He thrives on it. It's only getting back up that matters. Like his powers, Katakuri is afraid if he hits the ground, he won't be able to return back up again. Katakuri is afraid of failure.

    Conclusion: When we think of rubber, we think being able to stretch. Even with Luffy's Devil Fruit, what is the first thing that comes to mind? He can stretch his arms.

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    But here was Oda's way of saying, that stretching is not what makes the Devil Fruit special, because Katakuri's DF can do an even better job at stretching. It's the recoil/rebound effect of rubber, that makes it strong. And the more it's stretched, the more powerful it is. The bigger the failures (Ace), the stronger the successes. Luffy represented an alternate version of Katakuri, if Katakuri took risks in his life. Luffy grows from failure, Katakuri is afraid of it. (After all, this is a man with King's Haki, meaning he has huge ambitions)

    So, instead of complaining that Luffy doesn't stay down, you have to realize that that was the whole point of the fight. It wasn't Oda nerfing Katakuri or giving Luffy plot armour. It's Oda showcasing the true power of the Gomu Gomu no Mi. No matter how many beatings it takes, it always rises back up. The only way to subdue it is by overwhelming lethal force, not 1001 punches. What Luffy taught Katakuri is that it's ok to fail. True "strength" is not ever failing. It's getting back up from failure.
     
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  2. Salah Eddine

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    Kaido's Club & BM's Punch don't seem to agree
     
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    kaido and BM are on a completely different level.


    but yeah, given the nature of the gomu gomu no mi, it makes more sense that luffy was able to take as many hits as he was able to
     
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    Bullshit
     
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    Perospero: "there are three ways our predicament ends.... the poison doesn't work but the cake will be awful. Her fit won't end and mama will destroy this entire country.... nothing short of a miracle will ensure our survival."

    Perospero literally said that the only way to stop BM was with the cake, otherwise all of totland(all of those islands) would be destroyed, which basically means that BM herself is significantly stronger than all the BMP combined.

    BM would destroy katakuri in a fight. BM's spear of elbaf attack were sending slashes that were significantly greater than anything that kata has ever shown.

    Not to mention that in one single strike, Kaido did something that Kata couldn't do in over 6 hours
     
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    When Luffy streches he generates tension which is then converted into power. Elasticity is the biggest difference between him and Katakuri and is what allows Luffy to use his strongest moves like gear second and forth.
     
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    Read what I said. I said the only way to defeat him is with overwhelming lethal force, not 1001 punches. And Big Mom did not KO him, wtf? Luffy literally fought Katakuri like 30 minutes later. She just tanked his attack. Kaido knocked him out.

    Funnily enough though, with Kaido that's exactly what Luffy is doing. Even after getting beaten, he still wants to beat him on his own.
     
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    Wow I like the thought put into this. Well articulated!
     
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    I gotta agree with all of this.
     
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    And people still think yonko commander equals admiral lol
     
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    Like FR
    Akainu, Aokiji, and Fujitora have all been shown to be at the bare minimum island level in terms of DC.

    Katakuri would get stomped by them
     
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    Does mochi stretch more than rubber though? Luffy's df gives him the properties of rubber which gives him the elasticity and stretchability.

    Katakuri's df is different. He gets the properties of mochi(mold shape) which he uses to dodge attacks with his FS. The other thing he gets is mochi production. He produces mochi which he uses to increase size/elongate/make projectiles etc. He doesn't stretch, he just makes more mochi to increase volume. His fried mochi attack would not be possible if he was stretching and not producing.
     
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    I have always had doubt about Kata having Conquer Haki, that was not hyped, It might have been just Luffy who used it in mirror world.

    Also, a difference between Luffy and Kata DF, is that Kata can produce Mochi while Luffy cant produce Rubber.

    That is the reason that Kata wins the clashes of G3 attacks, he just adds more mass to his attacks to overwhelm Luffy since Luffy cant add rubber to his attack, he just prepares that attacks and then attacks, he can modified it unlike Katakuri.
     
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    Katakuri can produce Mochi because his DF is awakened. Once Luffy awakens his DF he will also be able to produce rubber/turn things into rubber.

    But for some reason people think his awakening will entail something different? Even though the awakening for Paramecia has been shown twice now
     
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    No haha, he can produce since he is a Paramicia and that is how it works.

    Mr 3 can produce wax and he is not awakened. There is different kinds of paramicias.
     
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    It's not about this
    Everyone know admirals and yonko are above commanders

    Lufdy surviving those attacks against katakuri is crap
    Whether you say Rubber bounces back
    Its nonsense... the mogura stab+ the 50+ g3 attacks on him for hours


    The rest I agree... katakuri was the type who didntt like falling
    While luffy always bounces back
     
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    Agreed.
     
  18. SanjiKun

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    Luffy's Devil Fruit gives him almost perfect immunity to punches. Those were the first 2 DFs: Luffy's that had immunity to punches, and Buggy's to slashes/sword attacks.

    It wasn't just that Luffy has good endurance, but his DF gave him great protection against punches. Katakuri had to land Mochi Drill in the middle of his abdomen to kill him.
     
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    Idk man, I think your speaking to soon. I'm pretty sure there is a tier list for FMs and 1st in Commands. I mean, re read Marineford and you'll see Marco pushing back Admirals. And Benn Beckmen stopped Kizaru for a second because Kizaru in that moment was caught off guard and realized who he was up against. So we actually do have proof that some FMs and Yonko commanders can fight against them. It's just that we dont know if Katakuri and King can. And who actually knows, maybe they can keep up too. Or at least cut it to a draw. We just have to wait and see. Or maybe we'll never see it. Who knows.
     
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    Katakuri and King can not, because Big Mom and Kaido are the weakest yonkou. The strongest yonkou whitebeard right hand man of course can match with admiral while King and Katakuri can not.
    Big Mom<Kaido<Shanks<whitebeard

    But I think the order of the yonkou who would go down first is: Kaido, Big Mom, Blackbeard, then last is Shanks.
     
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