Relations & Backstories Benn Beckman “Rivals” Shanks

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What does “Rivals” mean here?

  1. Infamy

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  2. Power level

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  1. ImmaIvanoM

    ImmaIvanoM

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    According to a recent Vivre Card revelation, Benn Beckman was stated to be a rival for Shanks and I want to clear this up for everyone.

    This just means Benn Beckman is a rival for Shanks in being an important person during his generation of pirates, so basically He’s a rival in Infamy. You know, like how all the Worst Generation are rivals to have major impacts in the world. Kind of like how Zoro rivals Luffy since he’s also in the worst generation and aiming to be a big name in the world.

    Remember, Morgans didn’t say the Worst generation have the same dream of becoming Pirate king, he said the next pirate King will comes from the Worst generation... That means it’s just that he Worst generation are so infamous that even the title of Pirate King will come from them. That means in the end, the Worst generation members who aren’t Luffy, will still be highly infamous, like Jewelry Bonney managed to break into Mariejois to do something, Zoro is gonna be WSS, Law was instrumental in defeating Joker, and so on.

    Therefore what “Benn Beckman rivals Shanks” means is that they were/are in Shanks’ generations’ version of the current Worst Generation...
     
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  2. Travolta

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    its power level.
    shanks has a small crew and was still able to claim and hold the title of yonko.
    I believe he need another (almost) yonko lvl fighter in his crew to do that.

    this and its also another parallel to Roger/Rayleigh and Luffy/Zoro.
    oda loves his parallels.
     
  3. Hades

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    Infamy..

    In power level he maybe above all other top high tiers...

    of course this has yet to be confirmed by manga......
     
  4. Reborn

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    Rivalry in infamy? It doesn't even make sense. There is no such thing at least not between Shanks and Ben because one is captain and other his VC so no matter what happens, Shanks will be more infamous as he is the captain.

    Rivalry implies competing for same goal. In context of VC, the rivalry between them is related to power. With Shanks losing an arm and slight dip in his strength (in line with what Mihawk losing interest) and Ben being rival to him(close to him in power) , balance the crew as a Yonkou one.
     
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  5. Yasu

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    U mean this?
    [​IMG]
     
  6. Tejas

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    It's clear. Yonko > Fleet Admiral = Dragon > YC1 = Admirals > YC2 > YC3 > Shichibukai.
     
  7. Jo_Ndule

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    Fixed it
     
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  8. Tejas

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    It's clear. KAIDO > BIG MOM > AKAINU ~DRAGON ~ MIHAWK ~ SHANKS > ADMIRALS ~ KING > ~ SABO / old legends ~ BENN ~ QUEEN ~ KATAKURI ~ MARCO > LUFFY /KIDD ~> YC2|3 > DOFFY>SNACK~>PERO >VETERANS
     
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    I completely agree with this list. Lol
     
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    This is entirely up to personal interpretation. There's not enough evidence, yet, to definitively say anything. If you think this means Ben is Yonko level or not, cool.

    Personally, i think Ben being an actual rival to shanks in terms of power might be ok. Shanks crew is pitifully small compared to the other Yonkos, so it's always been implied to be quality over quantity. And Ben had been definitively stated to be the first mate/vice captain similar to Rayleigh. This is an important distinction. Katakuri, despite his power, intelligence, influence, status, and overall baddassery, was technically never referred to as the FM/VC. Same with Marco. These two are also clearly way weaker than their captains. Rayleigh was the definitive first mate and is heavily implied to be near roger's strength. So Ben also being named the first mate could imply that he truly rivals shanks. And that there's a difference between first mates like Ben and top commanders like katakuri.
     
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  11. Tejas

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    I think that the distinction between WB-MARCO , BM-KATA as compared to Shanks-Ben is the WB and BM being much stronger than Shanks rather than the difference in strength between the Benn and Kata/Marco who should be pretty much closer to each other.
     
  12. ugaynou

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    That's Big News! Tf?! No wonder Kizaru was kind of scared when Benn came through. I feel like he might just be the strongest First Mate we'll see.
     
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    And King knocked out Big Mom. He must be the strongest First mate.
     
  14. ugaynou

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    Lol you put Kaido first but he's an Emperor too bro. I'm pretty damn sure that all the Yonkos can beat an admiral. It's like you're waiting to get moded LOL
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 9, 2019, Original Post Date: Apr 9, 2019 ---
    Knocked "Down A Ship" you mean? But maybe, who really knows atm
     
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  15. Tejas

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    Knocking a ship resulting in a Yonko K.O. >> Showing a gun to an Admiral as a threat that got ignored.
     
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    It was stated that the 4 yonko were equal. Now what sense would it make for 1 yonko to have another almost yonko lvl character on their crew? This ain’t rocks lol.

    You’re basically indicating that benn beckman could almost defeat his own captain or something which is almost as stupid as saying Mihawk could almost defeat any of the 4 emperors. You guys really need to stop putting these characters on such high pedestals.

    It’s like saying Sanji is at Luffy level which is almost true tbh. But these Benn Beckman=Shanks nonsense has to stop asap
     
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  17. Thabeast

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    This info just destroyed the "BuT hOw CaN a SeConD iN cOmmand RiVal tHe CaPtAin ?" bullshit.

    Good.
     
  18. ugaynou

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    But Big Mom fell in the water. So technically it doesn't really show how strong he is. "Technically". He just flipped a boat over. And if you rewatch that episode of Benn and Kizaru something dramatic is happening that catches everyone's attention including Benn's. FS Haki doesn't work if you're not focused.
     
  19. Tejas

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    Still drowning a Yonko for the first time in the manga >> Whatever Benn Beckman did.
     
  20. FelliTraydor

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    Just another proof that vivre cards are mostly just fan interpretations. They just take iconic scenes of the characters they make the card on and hype that scene with their interpretation. At this point I think Oda is only intervening if they are majorly wrong, like mixing up the birthday or so.

    Kizaru just joked around and ignored Beckman the very next scene. He wasn't afraid in the slightest.
     
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