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Another Portgas D. (A Man we all know!)

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  1. Celestial D. Dragon

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    First I'd like to thank @Monkey D. Bone for reminding me of this scene

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    Now when this chapter was originally released, it was shortly after Ace's death, so we the fans dismissed it as this member of the Gorosei was just refering to Ace. But now that I have looked at the image again, and thought about it, why would they refer to Ace as Portgas at this point, after the Big reveal that Ace's true name was Gol D. Ace. Another thing that struck me as odd, is the fact that he is saying it in such a way, that the name Portgas D. has been kept out of the spotlight, but now has gained to much attention, because of Ace's execution. This got me thinking, is it possible that there is another Portgas D. out there, and if so, hr must be a Big Name pirate, if the Gorosei had been trying to keep the name Portgas, and the identity of another D. a secret.

    Now obviously the most infamous D. to date, and the biggest thorn in the Government's side, was Gol. D Roger. And not only was Roger himself a D, but the woman he fell in love with an had a child with, was also a D. This got me thinking again, could it be possible that Rouge had a younger brother? Somebody that Roger had met when he first visited the Island, somebody that he inspired to become a Pirate, somebody that he would eventually give his Straw Hat to? If you haven't figured it out yet, I am, in fact, talking about a man I would like to call Portgas D. Shanks.

    So now the gears really started turning, and realized something. Why did Shanks spend an entire year in Foosha village in the first place? What was it that even brought him to the island? How about the fact that he had a Nephew? And it was at this point that history repeated itself. Shanks visited Foosha village in order to check up on his Nephew, and met and fell in love with Makino. During that time, he meets a young boy named Monkey D. Luffy, and inspires him to become a pirate, and even gives him his Straw Hat. Years later, Shank returns to Foosha village, and has a child with Makino. So lets recap up till now.

    Gol D. Roger visits Baterilla, meets and falls in love with a woman named Portgas D. Rouge. During that time, he inspires her little brother Portgas D. Shanks to want to become a pirate, and takes him on his Ship as an apprentice. Years later, Roger returns to Baterilla and has a child with Shanks sister

    Shanks visits Foosha village and falls in love with Makino. During his visit there, he inspires Monkey D. Luffy (who is like a little brother to Makino) to want to become a pirate. He give Luffy the same Straw Hat that Roger gave to him, so many years ago and tells him to one day bring it back to him. Many years later, Shanks returns to Foosha village and has a child with Makino.

    There is also a couple other little things I wanted to touch upon. For instance, why was Shanks so adamant about having Whitebeard stop Ace from going after Blackbeard? And don't say it was for Luffy's sake, because that doesn't make any sense. Shanks is a pirate, and he wanted Luffy to grow stronger. He was showing genuine concern for Ace's well being. One can argue it was because Ace was Rogers son, but at the same time, the concern Shanks was showing, was even stronger than Whitebeard's. Whitebeard's refusal, actually prompted Shanks to exchange blows with him.

    The second point is the fact that Shanks actually went to Marineford to put an end to the war. Unfortunately he was to late, and showed up after Ace had already been killed, due to the fact that he was stopping Kaido from launching a sneak attack against Whitebeard, that would have guaranteed Ace's death, had Kaido succeeded.

    And the last little tibit I wanted to point out, which isn't major, but is still quite a coincidence, is that Shanks epitaph is "RED" Hair Shanks, and in French Rouge means the Color Red. So there you guys have it, I believe that Shanks true name, is Portgas D. Shanks, and he is in fact, the younger brother of Portgas D. Rouge, and uncle to Portgas D. Ace.

    Editing the rest of the things I posted into my first post...


    Couple other thing's I wanted to add to theory :D

    Shanks had another major reason to keep the fact that he was a Portgas a secret. If the Government knew that Shanks was a Portgas, they would have have made the connection between Roger and Rouge immediately, because Shanks was on Rogers crew. He could have been giving Ace a chance to choose his own path in life. If Ace knew that Shanks was also a Portgas, it would mean that no matter what, Ace would be unable to escape his connection to Roger.

    Shanks and the Gorosei could made a deal, that he would keep the fact that he was a D. a secret in exchange for Ace to have a chance to grow up and choose his own path in life.

    Also remember during Marineford when Shanks asked to take care of the bodies for Ace and Whitebeard, and the Marines claimed that it was their right as the victors in war to cut off their heads and display it for the world, but Sengoku's response was "Only because it's you Shanks, I'll allow it" Which leads me to believe that he had a reason for allowing Shanks to take their bodies, especially Aces.

    Time to add a little bit more to the theory, which I wanted to do a few weeks ago, but completely forgot. There is one other thing that is interesting to note about Portgas D. Rouge, and that is the fact that her hair color is described as "Strawberry Blonde" which many people know, that that hair color is "Redish-Blonde". I'm trying to go through my mind as to how many characters even have red hair within the series, and I can only recall about 5 people. Shanks, Calgara, Kidd, Bastille, and Portgas D. Rouge. It seems a little bit of a perfect coincidence, that two people directly affiliated with Roger has red hair, consider the rarity of Red Haired characters within One Piece. Anyways, just wanted to add that little tibit of information to the theory. :p
     
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  2. Aya

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    Makes a lot of sense. Fucking awesome. Hands down. You actually made me cuss.

    Although I don't really agree about the Makino part (yet), the Gorosei could really mean Shanks when they had that meeting. The fact that he stopped the War at Marineford would automatically lead him into the spotlight.

    It would also make sense if Shanks didn't tell Ace about this, especially when he (Ace) came to see Shanks just to thank him for saving Luffy.
     
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    :D :p Thanks! Also doesn't "Portgas D. Shanks" have a nice ring to it?
     
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    Awesome theory Broseph!!!! The makino part is weird but, hey there always has to be a next generation right. Plus i always thought makinos part was way to big in Luffys life not have a more dramatic and detrimental role in the story. So it would defiantly be cool.
    The shanks/Whitebeard thing in my mind seemed more of a foreshadowing to what Shanks thought would happen. Meaning ace standing no chance at winning against blackbeard and a war insueing. It could be like you said though and just more of a uncles concern.
    I do think now after reading that panel that they are worried about the portgas name getting out.
    Kudos my man this is very interesting and you should do a I'm awesome happy dance.
     
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    Something seems off...
    What about the meeting, when Ace went and met with the Red Hair Pirates, in a snow cave, to thank Shanks for saving his little brother?
    I really like your theory though!
     
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    Shanks acting could be cuz he didn't wanted Ace to know him being his uncle.
    I really like the theory and it could be a huge thing behind it.
     
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    Well I don't think Shanks would have told him that he was his uncle in the first place. Why? Because he hates his own Dad, Gol D. Roger and when he finds out that Shanks is someone who got inspired from him and Roger was a father figure to him then he would hate Shanks as well even though he was his Uncle. Now what uncle would want his nephew to hate him? So that maybe the reason why he never spoke to Ace about their relation.
     
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    @Celestial D. Dragon, yes, surprisingly, it doesn't sound awkward to me or something.
    Portgas D. Shanks XD

    @-H- Do you remember how long it took for Rouge to hide Ace from the Government? I don't think Shanks would let the suffering of her sister be in vain just to give some silly introductions. At that time, the government was not aware that the lineage of the infamous Pirate King still lives.
     
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    @Celestial D. Dragon Accept me as your apprentice please? o.O?! I wrote the same stuff on your previous theory and I find out that you have written the same stuff here but with a specific name LOL xD So many co-incidences :p
     
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    @Celestial D. Dragon Maybe the Portgas family was a famous and big thing besides the D family. They could have been allies?! And the WG tried to hide it as long as they could, but Ace brought it up again.
     
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    I can see it happening actually. Portgas D Shanks nickname Red Hair Shanks!

    But I don't think that Makino part is true ... We will see.

    Tough you putted it in a good way as always your theories.
     
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    But they're both D's.

    Maybe the Portgas family, Monkey family, and Gol family were allies in the past, kf that's what you mean.
     
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    Yup that's what i meant.
     
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    In chapter 614 cover photo, you can see Makino was holding a baby. And In SBS 63, someone asked Oda about who were the parents of the baby.

    And this what Oda said regarding to the question :

    ...ah... Sorry. Well--. Seems Makino-san became a mother. She looks very happy. The father is maybe that person-. Yeah, probably that person.

    My bet is, after Shanks stopped the war in Marineford, he mostly likely went to visit Foscha village together with his crew. And that's when it all started, if you know what I mean. :dizzy:

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    Forgot all about that cover photo! Maybe it's because I almost always watched anime, and started reading the manga near the end of Punk Hazzard.

    Still it's a bit hard to believe...... Shanks a father.... lol!! I don't mind seeing that scenario tough. Tough I can never imagine that XD
     
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    Maybe thats why roger took shanks with him on his ship. Teach him about haki and how to be a pirate. That sounds really legit, thanx for the quote bro.
     
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    Couple other thing's I wanted to add to theory :D

    Shanks had another major reason to keep the fact that he was a Portgas a secret. If the Government knew that Shanks was a Portgas, they would have have made the connection between Roger and Rouge immediately, because Shanks was on Rogers crew. He could have been giving Ace a chance to choose his own path in life. If Ace knew that Shanks was also a Portgas, it would mean that no matter what, Ace would be unable to escape his connection to Roger.

    Shanks and the Gorosei could made a deal, that he would keep the fact that he was a D. a secret in exchange for Ace to have a chance to grow up and choose his own path in life.

    Also remember during Marineford when Shanks asked to take care of the bodies for Ace and Whitebeard, and the Marines claimed that it was their right as the victors in war to cut off their heads and display it for the world, but Sengoku's response was "Only because it's you Shanks, I'll allow it" Which leads me to believe that he had a reason for allowing Shanks to take their bodies, especially Aces.
    --- Double Post Merged, May 29, 2014, Original Post Date: May 29, 2014 ---
    Young apprentice, teach you well I will. First, rock with mind, you must move!
     
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    Nice one @Celestial D. Dragon connects things pretty well and keep it up XD

    I can see this actually happening and I'm still not sure if Ivankov was the father ha ha but this gives the Shanks is the father theory more proof XD
     
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