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Theory Ancient Weapons: Astronomy, The real source

Moons of Pluto, Uranus and Neptune are the inspiration for Ancient Weapons

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  1. CAMUNAI

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    Ancient Weapons: The real source - The real source of inspiration for Oda

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    do you work or have hoby about space, stars, planets? And are you interest about history and mythology?
     
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    Do u rly try to find a way to describe Uranus based on Popes "the rape of the lock", Shakespeares "a midsummer nights dream" and a few other poems and plays of Shakespeare :D

    What do we have
    1.rape of the lock
    -Berlinda beatiful girl with locks
    -Ariel a slyph who protects Berlinda
    -Umbriel a gnome leads the pervers the way to Berlinda so that he is able to rape the lock
    2.a midsummer nights
    -Titania and Oberon, Queen and King of the elves, betraying each other
    -Bianca
    -Puck
    3.the tempest
    -Miranda
    -Caliban
    -Sycorax
    -Prospero
    -Setebos
    -Stephano
    -Trinculo
    -Francisco
    -Ferdinand
    4.King Lear
    -Cordelia
    5.Hamlet
    -Ophelia
    6.Troilus and Cressida
    -Cressida
    7.Orthello
    -Desdemona
    8.Romeo and Juliet
    -Juliet
    -Mab
    9.the merchant of venice
    -Portia
    10.as you like it
    -Rosalind
    11.much ado about nothing
    -Margaret
    12.the Winter's Tale
    -Perdita
    13.Timon of Athens
    -Cupid

    All besides Uriel and Ariel are nobles. These could represent the people who have a D in their name. They could be the nobles of the acient Kingdom.
    So Uranus could be the "will of D"
     
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    Ups, I didnt read sorry. Reread the theory and you will find my take on Uranus. And thanks for the feddback.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 28, 2017, Original Post Date: Jul 28, 2017 ---
    How do I tag people??
     
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    What you edited? What to chech which part
     
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    Yeah! The theory is now ended! I may add something though.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 28, 2017, Original Post Date: Jul 28, 2017 ---
    I see a lot of people saying BB wont kill kaido. But if the marines couldnt kill him then what can? A power they don't have.
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    My mayor cultural hoobie is philosophy. But I already knew who charon was and that it was Plutos sattelite. If you asled me I wouldnt remenber the exact moment were I realized the lunar pattern for the AW. Ive done a lot of iterations in this theory.
     
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    hahah u tag like this @name @CAMUNAI
     
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    Haha ok, as I thought
    I also have problems with the spoiler boxes, I click the spoiler button it doesnt work.
    Now that you can read the whole theory can you give me feedback on the anti-pluton and on Uranus? A bit far fetched maybe
     
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    hhaha ok i skimmed through it i'll give u a detail one in bit :D
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 28, 2017, Original Post Date: Jul 28, 2017 ---
    Well pluton ,Poseidon and Uranus and among popular God so oda used there name to make anicent weapons more realizable and fearful to readers regardless there interpretation in one piece like pluton as ship they also represent 3 realms majorly
    Poseidon - God of sea
    Pluton -God of land/underworld
    Pluto was the Roman god of the underworld and the judge of the dead. Pluto is an alternative name for the Greek god Hades, but was more often used in Roman mythology in their presentation of the god of the underworld. He abducted Proserpina (Gr. Persephone), and her mother Ceres
    Uranus- God of sky
    this bit might be possible planets are showing in OP but pluton and posedion can be just creations of earthlings
    as i said oda chose popular gods but he likes to put other references also like triton above or Ariel from princess mermaid desiny movie
    Claps for this find
    :clapping::clapping:
    this is farfetched imo even if they did i highly doubt oda will give them distinctive char backstory like shirahoshi or other imp char
    i disagree with this one coz it will make BB way too much OP basically unbeatable power scaling wise and i think current version of him is already OP enough even among yonkos
    agreed Charon/pluto/Hades they are representation Egypitian/roman/greek gods of underworld
    well imo pluton will fall in hands of world govt hence i disagree on this but dats my take
    again agreed the sunny go is basically prototype of pluton which will improve more in upcoming arcs example would be gaon canon destroying island were they duval was at
    yep agreed
    nice catch :handok:

    lastly i dont agree on many aspects on uranus like D from moons but i think urauns is from sky people and nami will use it in future i have theory coming on it
     
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    @CAMUNAI (simply use an @ to tag people and put them at the end of your theory. no need anymore, because u finished)

    Well about the Uranus end, I would change a bit.

    Ariel is the main moon, so like in your previous theories, I would focus on him.

    First I have to say Ariel is not as u mentioned based on Shakespeares Ariel, he is based on Ariel from Popes "the rape of the lock". Whats the difference? Both are Slyphs based on the angel Ariel.

    The Ariel in Shakespeares "the tempest" is a Slyphs controlling the weather who leads the people to the right way, yeah I know totally sounds like Dragon so Dragon = Uranus or controlling Uranus, but its the wrong Ariel:hides:

    The Ariel wenn are looking for is the Ariel in Popes "the rape of the lock" there is a guardian slyph standing above other slyphs, but not ordinary slyphs all these slyphs are parodised version of the gods and goddess of convential epic. So Uranus or the person who control/controlled is/ was the Guardian of something or someone important and Chief Commander of the gods sounds great or not. Now is the question guardian of what? I would say Ariel was the Guardian of the Acient Kingdom, because the Acient Weapons are from the Acient Kingdom.

    Now we should take a look at all moons from Uranus(I allrdy listed them before)
    I am a physicist so I always like to look at numbers. There are 27 moons, but 27 doesn't seems to be a special number(everyone can correct me, if In am wrong). But they are based of figures in 13 different stories, if we now take a look at the porneglyphs we have 9 rio and 4 road porneglyphs, so maybe these 13 stories could relresent the 13 important porneglyphs.
    (If there is someone knowing all these stories could maybe find out everything about the 4 road and 9 rio porneglyphs)

    Lets take a closer look at "the rape of the lock", because this ist the only story from Pope all the other stories are from Shakespeare. There wenn have
    1.Ariel the guardian
    2.Umbriel the betrayer
    3.Berlinda
    About Berlinda in this context I don't see her as a women, I think she represent the Acient Kingdom. Ariel was the Guardian of Berlinda -> Uranus Guardian of Acient Kingdom. Umbriel betrayed Ariel/Berlinda so the pervertiert could steal a Lock from Berlinda -> there was someone who betrayed Uranus and the Acient Kingdom and Leader the enemies the enemies through a secret was so that they could steal sth. from the Acient Kingdom. i would say weapons or technology.(It could ne the devils fruits)

    I would go so far to say it was an ancestor of Teach or even Teach himself who betrayed the Acient Kingdom. Umbriel is a dark moon which could represent Teach darkness
    -> Teach = Umbriel

    Interisting part what is Uranus? I would say it is "the Will of D" and the one who have "the Will of D" and represent Ariel should be Luffy. Ariels Slyph armee could later be represented by the SHB Grand Fleet. And than like the Archangel Ariel Luffy will fight against the demons which rule over the world, which are represented by the Celestial Dragons.

    The other moons/figures represent TH citizens of the Acient Kingdom. Slyphs, Elves, Gnomes and Humans atbds for different races who live. And I think the people who rule over the Acient Kingdom eher the D. clan and sind Sauro everyone knows the D Clan includes different races.

    @CAMUNAI what do think? BS or ok?
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 28, 2017 ---
    About Pluton I've allrdy listed in my review.
    I think Impel Down is based on the greak Underworld. There we had Magellan as Hydra, the 4 Beast guards as Chimäre and Hannyabal as Sphinx. I think that BB was looking for Pluton in IP and that he also found Pluton there.
     
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    Have you checked the colorspread of the eagle-ship that looks like enels ship?
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    @Nessos i will read later
    But ainchecked and titania is the biggest moon of Uranus
     
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    Titania might be the biggest and together with Oberon the first moons that were found. If you google Uranus moons, you will find out that the numeration will be.
    1.Ariel also Uranus I
    2.Umbriel also Uranus II
    3.Titania also Uranus III
    4.Oberon also Uranus IV
    5.Miranda also Uranus V
    ...
    (First numeration nearest to farthest, to avoid confusion all new moons found later than ne number by the date they were found -> No rotatation in numbers anymore)

    Ariel is special because its the brightest moon of Uranus and Umbriel is the counterpart is Umbriel the darkest moon.
     
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    I also found a hyperlink over the words " the best option" just above the picture of the Big 3. Minor thing but I thought I would tell you.
     
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    Oops, I didn't know there existed something like a discussion page. Therefore my review includes some elements that would fit this page better, so I will quote it here:
     
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    @Magimasterkarp what a great conexion there!
    Maximum level theory incoming!!!

    Osiris was responsible of the tides in the nile which helped the crops to grow. Arabastas substance? A rain-caller that exactly helps tondo that.

    Poseidon god of the sea! The japanese god of the sea had a box that when opened will make people 300 years old! Similar to what the energy steroids from the heaven do.

    Now! I was going to make a theory explaining that Uranus ancient weapon would be revealed in elbaf. In addition, what if the divine substance related to Uranus is a giantification substance??? As Uranus is the fsther of giants! Thee the goverment is studying or at least is after of??? Maybe Jaguar took this when a Child! And Big Mom is looking for this too!

    We could call them, the three divine substances!!! The kingdoms that protected the ancient weapons got as a gift.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 31, 2017, Original Post Date: Jul 31, 2017 ---
    What you said is not BS at all, even if oberon or ariel is the main moon doesnt matter that much because in the previous planets most of the stars were relevant, I have to think about whst you wrote to give a good answer, you could be up to something. Thanks a lot for the passion and the ideas. I will correct my definition of ariel. Sorry for answering late.
     
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    I have to thanks for your idea that the Acient Weapons based on the moons of the planets they represent. Even if I disagree in a few parts of your interpretation of Plutos and Uranus moons its brilliant.

    I think its huge different in which moin we focus. Therefore look at Poseidon and Pluton, the 1st moon represent the weapon the others describe the circumstances. So its a different if we focus on an Elfqueen or -king or a Sylphguardian based on an angel/archangel.

    To back up my thought that Luffy could represent Ariel.
    1.Luffys father is based on the "wrong" Ariel
    2.The archangel Ariel is often shown with the head of a lion
     
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    Well I heard about a theory that San Juan is Pluton, but I still doubt it, because Franky had plans to build Pluton so for me Pluton have to be a real ship. I know the theory said San Juan could be a Cyborg and that Franky end up being Anti-Pluton.

    Based on your theory Teach real reasons for invading Impel Down could be Pluton and that the legendary pirate prisoners were only be a "little" bonus. For me Impel Down represent the greak hell.

    I also think Teach is able to hear VOAT. And he was in alabasta before he visited Jaya. So maybe he could hear the voice of the Rio Porneglyph and found out where to find it, Impel Down. The reason why he wanted to become a Shichibukai.

    Its also possible that the Yami Yami No Mi is needed to activate Pluton.
     
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    Ive been thinking about this and this is the best I could come up with:
    Oberon= Grap, he is the parental figure of most of the Ds
    Umbriel= Blackbeard
    Ariel= Luffy, Luffy is the opposite ot blackbeard, and he will show the path to the world.
    Miranda = Dragon, well actually I think Dragon is Prospero, who used weather magic on her daughter, just like him with Luffy
    Puck= Trafagar Law. Puck is naughty but at the end of the play he asks forgiveness and says he was just playing. Trafalgar Law has been "naughty" too. Showing the middle finger, experimenting and making people into centaurs...

    Titania? This could be the firrst female D we see alive, maybe Luffys mother or any other. As she is called titania we may meet her in Elbaph.
     
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    About Oberon, Titania and Puck. i think the elves represent the giants. They share immortality, we allrdy know giants could live for hundreds of years. So Oberon and Titania could be Lokis parents and if we find out that Sauro was a servant of the King than he would be Puck.

    In this way Oda could build up a connection between Robin and Elbaf. Also interisting there could be a human who was raised by the King and Queen.

    So many years to wait to find out, of sth of this can be right :D

    I will later take a look at Shakespeares Tempest to tell you what I think about these characters.
     
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