Theory Zoro & Tashigi's Origin: The Secret of Asura

Origin of Zoro, the Truth between Tashigi & Kuina & finally the secret of Asura

  1. Rorouni Zoro
    Rorouni Zoro
    Brilliant theory all around, and I appreciate your research! The connection between Asura/Demon Soul and Demon Cutter swords was great, though I doubt all samurai have a DS ontop of elemental attacks. Like others have said, the fact that Shiryu could be yet another dragon for Zoro to say is exciting. My only disagreement is the DF connection as I personally think DFs will be taboo due to their isolationism.
  2. j011y_Roger
    indeed interesting, i suspect your kuina and tashigi having twin moms a lil suspect but overall well done
  3. L E T F A R
    L E T F A R
    Nice Theory. :) As to how Zoro arrived at East Blue from Wano, He must've slept in a ship and just ended up in East Blue. :D HAHAHA
  4. Corazon's Law
    Corazon's Law
    Holy crap! That is absolutely amazing! I never made the connection between Momo and Zoro! I love this theory! Thank you for making this!
  5. Cockycent
    I love the back story. The “all men are created equal” phrase should be true, but it isn’t. The US is just as good/bad as any other country. They promote this, but do differently. At the same time, I am pleased that Ryoma was inspired by this, good dude. Back to the theory. It also sucks that your sword collector pic doesn’t show, but I know who it is any way. The seven swordsman of the Mist pops into my head when reading this as well. Imagine if Shiryu, Raizo, and others were of the same group with epithets. Fire, Mist, Rain, etc. With your Oz theme, Luffy can be Dorothy. Instead of red shoes, maybe the Shanks (red) hat. I made a sword theory that I can improve, using this. It just states that Zoro will receive a new sword or have his sword improved by a Wano swordsmith. Many thought I was implying that his sword would break, but I don’t think that. I think his current swords will give him difficulties when fighting the way that those of Wano fight (Warrior Soul possibly) and Zoro will need to adjust by receiving a new sword or receiving a modification. I like the Kuina crashing bird background. That is very much her lmao. If those birds crash a lot, I wonder if Zoro’s poor sense of direction can be explained. Maybe a lost tiger or shark, idk. Very unique and astounding theory.
    1. Vandenreich
      Author's Response
      Almost forgot about this. Glad you enjoyed this theory of all things. Your review sounds a little dark though lol
  6. aggiefan13
    I appreciated the work filling us in on some of the history and mythology to support your ideas (especially connecting Wano to this). Points you made that were exceptional were:

    1. Interpretation of Shiryu's name to Death Dragon.

    I like this because of potentially an additional connection between Zoro and Ryuma. Since Ryuma is known as a dragon slayer, if Zoro beats Shiryu, it could be said he would have "slayed a dragon". I find this to be an interesting connection if it were to happen.

    2. Bits including Tashigi and Kuina

    I really liked the use of the bird names and their respective flight patterns to interpret their life trajectories. It would be interesting if the two of them were connected by their mothers. I would be happy if this came true.

    The only criticism I have is that the explanation of the "Warrior Soul" and "demon soul". I think this is a really creative idea to explain Zoro's Asura, but I don't think we have met enough samurai to merit this logical jump that the warrior soul is conserved across Wano samurai. Other points I would like to make include:

    I feel like Shiry's blood lust could be explained better by the effect of a cursed sword rather than demon soul/cursed soul combo. It would be confirmed by if Zoro eventual gains blood lust like Shiryu if he holds onto his kitetsu. I'm not sold that this is true either, but rather I think Shiryu is just a bad person.

    I'm not sold currently that there needs to be another reason other than unlucky family connection for why Zoro had to leave Wano. Basically, we don't know enough right now about Wano to really know why they would kick him or his family out. Blaming the demon soul is a big stretch for me.

    Finally it was a big stretch for the demon soul being tied to devil fruits, which are said to be tied to a Sea Devil.

    It is obvious that you put a lot of work into this theory, and I appreciate it! Look forward to seeing if any of this becomes true later on.
  7. Moey Krimz
    Moey Krimz
    2 star for all the effort on linking the dots and 1 for Tashigi and kuina being twins which is possible. But i disagree with everything else such as Ryuma, seriously?? That page on Ryuma's soul isnt even from One piece but rather from a different manga altogether lmaoo. And i believe Kinemons hate for Dragons is because the Shogun is a mythical dragon zoan
    1. Vandenreich
      Author's Response
      Oda said Monster is canon to the One Piece story.....
  8. Shanks1994
    Very great work linking Japan's history to the story. I had the same ideas for Shiryu (his sword) . Very good theory keep the good work
  9. gfunkdaddy
    I like the theory, and it raises some interesting corrolaries:
    Does it suggest that all isolated /insular cultures would have a unique "power" of some kind?
    Why would DF be specifically related to the cultural power of Wano alone? (Perhaps it suggests that the various powers of each culture somehow also find their way into DF across the world...)
  10. Ascaisil
    So there was a lot of information here, and I think your conclusions are pretty awesome. The only thing is that Zoro only used Ashura once in the series so far (Strong World doesn't count as canon.) so until he uses it again it may just be considered a fluke. It didn't seem to fit in with anything else that was happening at the time, so I've always wondered if it was just something Oda tried and then decided against. Only time will tell.
  11. Ironshinx
    a bit far fetched,you got some great ideas you might be on too samething,
  12. Lothar1399
    It's all nice and dandy how you connected history with One piece but you lost me at the Genghis Khan and Kuina and Tashigi being related. Sorry.

    2 stars for effort.
    1. Vandenreich
      Author's Response
      By lost do you mean lost interest? Oda himself said they are not sisters but they share A LOT of similarities. The only logical option was that their mothers were twin sisters which would explain why they look alike, wouldn't hear about the other & doesn't go against what Oda said.
  13. 99cent Hitman
    99cent Hitman
    i liked your theory it was a good read. And what i actually wanted to point out i have forgotte hehehe
  14. Niyazi YILDIRIM
    Niyazi YILDIRIM
    Wow, that was quite long but it worth it. We know the characterizing style of Oda, he always do that but without whole of these informations no one can figure it out. Thank you for you theory, you the best ^^
  15. DeathWink
    Nice one man... I loved the way you expressed the thoughts... I hope for the same and I'd like to share this theory on my YT channel... :D And would give you a shoutout
    1. Vandenreich
      Author's Response
      If you asked me this a few months ago, I'd say "Hell no" but I appreciate that you asked first(unlike others). Go ahead.
  16. Matoa
    Very good theory
    Actually I want to know if you find any relation b/w kojiro and Dragon
  17. Nadeshiko
    I am really sorry, but there are a lot of thins that aren't convincing. Like Yoshitsune becaming Genghis Kahn (it's been proven wrong), Autumn and Winter being the best season (it's Spring), Kuina being a snipe (it's Tashigi), and else~

    But I do appreciate your hardwork alright, so i gave you an additional 2 stars for that ne ヽ(^o^)丿
    1. Vandenreich
      Author's Response
  18. siman
    Amazing theory

    I Like the part of shiryu the rain.
    keep it up
  19. D. Wolf
    D. Wolf
    This is an amazing theory , I respect all the hard work you put into this theory!
  20. Theo Ries
    Theo Ries
    Wow! What an awesome monolith of well connected research! LOL, I could never dedicate my attention to one topic for long enough to produce something this lengthy. That said, you had no trouble keeping my attention long enough to read it! (I guess that's the mark of a good thread.)

    Surely this one's featured... I mean, Captain Cigar is the only one of almost 30 that's given you less than 5*. Well done, one way or another!